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richardhutnik on 02 July 2010
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badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

Of course, the costs of implementing all these nanny provisions ends up being extra large.  I have had to deal with case workers and the welfare system, since being laid off, and dealing with depression.  The case workers (nannies) happen to be so overtaxed, they won't have time to check on things.  It is just easier to hand the cash out.

I will say this here, unless people start to act now, on a personal level to do things that are needed, then you won't get control back.  These things are NOT lobbying Washington, or throwing angry tea parties, and running ads.  It means to act as neighbors.  The responsibility happens on a personal level, but isn't just every person for themselves.  It means also acting as neighbors, and doing what is needed to help others who are down.  I have seen first-hand how powerless people are in this area, and how little help you actually get from anyone.  No one has a clue here.  Life seems bigger than individuals on a personal level.  And there is a desire to cut corners everywhere, because they have to. 

People aren't going to spontaneously become responsible again when they have no real reason to do so. Fortunately for everyone who wants government off of his or her back, the government is broke and will have no choice but to fuck off. It's a matter of when, not if. And yes, it's too bad for everyone who bought into the pack of lies that is the nanny state and came to depend on it, but the word "unsustainable" really does mean something.

Then, and only then, will people start acting as neighbors again, because they won't have much of a choice.

There is a long chain of linking interdependencies in a modern society, which prevent people from seeing the direct result of their actions and inactions, in the big scheme of things.  Therefore, the end result is that people won't do what is needed to make changes, as you have stated.  And this needed responsibility isn't just that people take care of themselves either.  There is a case of being a good neighbor also, and taking care of those in need.

Again, I go back to what Is said, and why I believe libertarians have it backwards.  While it is true that government can make things worse, it is more true that we have more government, because people fail to take care of problems without government.  Consider the BP oil spill for example.  Please remind me exactly what part of the government causes the spill to happen.  Was there regulations on the part of government that made them mess up like that?  Show me where.  But, guess what happens next?  Well, the spill will wipe people out, and their livelihoods.  Just like with Katrina, they are facing a disaster that will change their lives.  I guess you say sue them, and make BP pay for everyone.  BUT, what happens when the end result is the company can't pay?  I guess life is hard, and you see, people should of known.  Why have government in here?

And the banking industry being idiots, and also corporations who decide they can outsource and layoff Americans in large numbers, causing people to not pay their student loans?  Well, I guess it is the fault of people who took those loans out, and their fault for trusting what they were told by industries as to where the jobs would be.  In short, everyone is to blame for everything that goes wrong in their life, including people who made their livelihoods in New Orleans.   That is how the game works.

Anyhow, I will say it is backwards.  Want less government?  Well, then do more NOW, and then argue the case it is superior to people.  Prevent problems from popping up to begin with.  Self-organize and do it.  As of now, as a person who is getting money from family, I am out of the system, and really don't care what they do.  I have no vested interest in more or less government, because I am on less than a shoe string here, and just trying to survive, without help from anyone (outside of family) to ANY degree at all, to get ahead.  That is life.  I certain see no reason to vote this election either.