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richardhutnik on 01 July 2010
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badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

So, what exactly does government do that prevents people from not being so messed up and their society?  Also, what makes you think that biological fathers would bother to give a damn if the government pulled out?  Even today, with court systems that hold fathers accountable, they still skip out and don't pay.  In regards to this, tell me what part of the government drives individuals who can't afford to have kids, to go and have sex and women get pregnant? 

On thing I would argue here, based on what was said, is that I SERIOUSLY believe Libertarians put the cart before the horse.  You get more freedom when people take responsibility.  You don't just give people more freedom, and make them suffer greater consequences, and then expect them to all of a sudden assume more responsibility.  What part of cutting support to those in needs is going to drive the individuals to be responsible and law abiding citizens, and NOT decide that they should engage in criminal activity?  What part of nor helping is going to make things better?

I actually agree to an extent. I've always thought that since freedom and responsibility go hand in hand, people who aren't going to be responsible for their lives should lose their freedoms. For instance, as long as someone is on the public dole, perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to vote since they have a real financial incentive to vote for whomever is going to give them the most money and against anyone who proposes austerity measures. Or if someone is dependent on the government for their health care, they should be required to adhere to a strict diet and exercise regimen so as to minimize costs to the taxpayer.

Of course, the costs of implementing all these nanny provisions ends up being extra large.  I have had to deal with case workers and the welfare system, since being laid off, and dealing with depression.  The case workers (nannies) happen to be so overtaxed, they won't have time to check on things.  It is just easier to hand the cash out.

I will say this here, unless people start to act now, on a personal level to do things that are needed, then you won't get control back.  These things are NOT lobbying Washington, or throwing angry tea parties, and running ads.  It means to act as neighbors.  The responsibility happens on a personal level, but isn't just every person for themselves.  It means also acting as neighbors, and doing what is needed to help others who are down.  I have seen first-hand how powerless people are in this area, and how little help you actually get from anyone.  No one has a clue here.  Life seems bigger than individuals on a personal level.  And there is a desire to cut corners everywhere, because they have to.