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richardhutnik on 28 June 2010
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kaneada said:
richardhutnik said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

As for parents being responsible for their children being raised right, you went by the premise that I agree with such a thing. However I don't think parents can be trusted with such a task (This abstinecne only nonsense that creates ignorant kids that have a negative view about sex is a perfect example of why parents can't betrusted to raise their children right). This is an unfortunate compromise as (curently) there's no better alternative. Hopefully this pesky impediment will eventually be rectified.

Exactly WHAT are you going TO trust parents with?  What do you think of a society where parents can't be trusted to raise their kids?  It sounds like you want the state to raise kids.  Well, more power to you, if you do.  Sorry you see that parents raising kids is a "pesky impediment" to your belief on how society should be structured.


I don't agree with the government or the society at large raising kids and ultimately I think it is souly the parents obligation, but the truth of the matter is that some parents think that raising a child and sheltering them is synonimous. There is little truth in that. I can understand a parent not wanting their child having sex, however, it is important to realize that a proper education about sex does deter unwanted pregnancy. As a matter of fact most studies show that properly educated kids are less likely to have sex early due to the scare tactic that comes with full discloser about sex.

I'm not sure where the shift conversation occured, can someone produce some clif notes to catch us newcomers up?

My argument comes from, and while I wouldn't necessarily agree with what parents want in this case, that a free society needs parents to be competent at raising their kids, or the society is going to be facing problems.  I have also argued that certain parents should be enabled to take their kids out of system, if need be, so they don't end up putting influence on it that bothers others. 

I would also argue that sex education be part of it, and accurate facts be given.  The full disclosure of what can happen with pregnancy, and disease, speaking also of the outrageous rate of STDs about (this has spiked heavily since the sexual revolution), and arming the kids against the garbage that the media dumps, is important here.  I believe what matters in this, is parents are enabled to make decisions, AND it is the job of the school system to get parents on board with their education.  YES, school systems need to sell the parents on what their kids are taught.

As far as the shift in the conversation, it happened when people started to object to some thing, and then the clarifications became rambling points.  The fact that there is a need for cliff notes says this thread has rambled too much.  The focus is mean to be on what the Christian faith is about.  Beyond this is noise.  Due to this rambling I have agreed with someone else that the thread has come to an end here pretty much.