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Let me add that "No game in box" isn't exactly a big deal to me.  When I got my Live Vision camera, there wasn't a game in the box.  But since we live in such modern times, I was able to download Uno (which I already owned so I gave my code to somebody else) and Totemball (the shittiest game I've ever played) free of charge.  Maybe some Kinect games --most of them, if MS has any sense--will be downloadable.  I just don't see going full retail and putting a lot of money into games that will only sell to a fraction of the audience.