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M.U.G.E.N said:

first talking about what we have seen on Crysis 2 on 'consoles' ...you were telling people who said that kz2 looked better than that that crysis 2 is amazing since it's open world yada yada no?

Since the KZ3 reveal over E3 the most consensus I have seen is that KZ3 looks "just like" Killzone 2 and that Crysis 2 was the best looking game on consoles, although Rage seems to be getting it's fair share of best of e3 awards too.

I'm not sure what you're implying though, are you suggesting inFamous 2 isn't particularly good looking because it's sandbox or that it does look good for a sandbox game?

M.U.G.E.N said:

and I'm sure other sites gave it better scores too...IGN gave Godhand a score below 5 if I remember correctly, does IGN mean asbolute truth to you?

I think it means a bit more then hyping up a game to say it sets new standards in visuals. I wouldn't go around claiming Red Dead Redemption has raised the bar in visuals en masse when the game got 9's in graphics. I don't see why others here do is all.