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Resident_Hazard said: Ugh, I'm just going to wrap this up because I guess I'm tired of this rigamarole (whathaveyou). This gets annoying after a while that, because I don't painstakingly explain every single point, it's assumed I don't know what I'm talking about, for example, I know what an IP is. Jeez. |
Oh good. Well-timed. I'm not saying you don't know what an IP is. I'm saying that you are confusing it with what a series is. Different accussations with different meanings.
And if you can't take the time to support your points, you should expect them to be attacked.
| The story and set-up of StarFox64 is identical to StarFox on the SNES with new bells and whistles, by the way. I have spent ample time with both. |
Story and set-up has shit-all to do with diddly. Again, games are built on content and mechanics. Starfox 64 is an almost entirely different game compared to its predecessor, differentiating itself as Super Mario World differntiated itself from Super Mario Bros. Pretending that it is a remake is factually wrong.
| Microsoft and Sony aren't "too stupid," they just don't feel like wasting their efforts on a genre that, these days, should be downloadable or on portable systems, and is a hard-sell as a full-fledged disc release. But of course, you put Mario or something Nintendo-fanboyish in the thing, and you'll have those fanboys clamouring for it. |
You are making two false statements here.
1. 2-D sidescrollers are not valuable enough to be disc releases. Again, this is the market's decision, not yours. The market disagrees immensely. Go figure.
2. Only Marioboys buy Mario games (ha-ha! Crazzyman). This is factually incorrect. 2-D Mario games appeal to much more than just the Nintendo hardcore. Again, sales speak all the difference, sicne NSMBWii will double the sales of the best-selling 3D Mario.
| Yeah, I know, the fanboys will line up around the block to buy the latest shallow platformer with Donkey Kong in it, while I'm going to spend my money on games with depth like Fallout New Vegas, XCOM, and the like. Well, okay, I'm probably going to snag that sweet Kirby game, side-scroller and all, it looks just too fun. (Unless reviews reveal a short and pathetic performance.) |
Oh wow, this is getting comedic now. Again you imply that only fanboys buy 2-D platformers (false), again you imply that 2-D platformers are necessarily shallow (false), and again you imply that you and your tastes are somehow above those of other consumers (especially false).
I think it's even worse that in the midst of this discussion about originality you managed to bring up a sequel to a derivative spin-off and another series that's over 15 years old. Are you being ironic or hypocritical? Inquiring minds want to know.
| The only thing I'm really wrong about is thinking I could have a conversation online with hardcore Nintendo fans, who will defend anything from the company, no matter how shallow, uninventive, or lame. |
Nice evasion of "fanboy". Stay classy.
I'm not even defending the company in this case, I'm pointing out where you are factually wrong. Because you are! You are totally wrong. I've criticized Nintendo before, can level critiques at them whenever I please, but when someone is wrong on the internet? I will be there.
| Also, I was going by IP's actually released by Nintendo, not that list of largely no-shows you had (some of that stuff was obscure owing to what I said... elsewhere or before how Nintendo doesn't support it's rare new IP's). However, I will admit that going by "specific IP's," Nintendo has quite a few more than I said. However, it doesn't help things that the vast majority of Nintendo's "new IP's" are either lame Wii-somethings, or built from an existing IP, i.e., Mario, Paper Mario, Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario sports whatnots. Lots of IP's, lots of lame. |
You are making me into a broken record.
None of those IPs have begat new IPs. Try again. Oh wait, you can't, because when you go back and acknowledge that Nintendo's new IPs are actually new IPs, you have to admit you're wrong! You came close to doing it. You came this close, and it would have been cool of you, and you would have gotten props.
No props for you.
| Anyway, try to have fun with Donkey Kong Country Returns, right up until you realize how shallow that series is. |
Let me see if I have this right.
"I don't like this game or the idea of it being made, therefore it is of inferior quality and you are buying it under false pretenses. If you like it, then you like an inferior product."
Right. You just... you go on with your bad self. See how much convincing that gets done.
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