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I'd like to point out that while this is overblown, there is no reason to call a service that is such a bucket of shit as LIVE good. That's just uncalled for. I was also unaware that Steam was ever competing with LIVE at all in any way shape or form. The PC already has ways for achievements, talking to friends in game, chatting, even voice chat. If you want it, it's there, if you don't then don't whine about it. LIVE being universlly forced down everyonoe's throat has never been a good thing.