What is your take on creationism/creationists?

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richardhutnik said:

Lafiel said:

faith and science both are important to humans and both can be abused by humans

 

creationism in it's modern form ("intelligent design") isn't about faith, it's about politics, which is why it's ridiculous compared to the scientific answer in this case

BTW I personally believe in the flying spaghetti monster, because I feel the world is more delicious than most people think.

Everything else up about politics when you force people to live together, and pool resources.  In the case of creationism, you have religious parents who want to raise their kids certain ways, and are forced into the public school system and have their kids taught, for financial reasons.  If you were to get those kids out of the public school system, then you wouldn't see creationism brought in.  Of course, when this is mentioned as an option, the kids of religious parents suddenly become wards of the state in the minds of some people, who then insist that ALL kids must be taught this and that in society.  Yes, there are people who want to know God did it, and want evidence to support this belief.  I guess someone who is a secular and collectivist would then feel insistent there needs to be a war won, and we get rid of all this "fairy tales". 

So, don't let people go off and do their own thing, expect them to subject you to things that violate your own sensibilities.

The problem from my point of view is simple.  Being taught evolution is like being taught 2 2=4 or that the Universe would seem to be billions of years old or that the Earth orbits the sun.  It is correct and should be understood equally as an observable, measurable element of our world.

Evolution is in line with Galileo observing the Earth isn't the centre of the Universe whereas Creationism is merely a response in line with those who would lock up Galileo and enforce continued belief in something that would now appear, with the latest evidence to be false.  Creationism is about denying and ignoring evidence based purely on religious belief.

Creationism is not an alternative to Evolution and therefore nor should it remotely be taught as such in a school (what parents chose to do at home or outside school environment is their choice of course).

Heck, even the Pope agreed - although admitedly only with the Caveat that the Universe was created and Evolution is one of its systems.  But you know, even as an Atheist I can go with that as a fair compromise between something that genuinely can't be proven and something that has.

But believing Evolution isn't behind every species on Earth and that God created them 'as is' is simply denying the evidence.  If we're going to go down that route we might as well re-write our science books and put the Earth back at the centre of the Universe.

EDIT: I can't believe I'm getting sucked into this kind of argument - and I'm not.  Enjoy the thread folks but I'm out of here.  There's simply not point arguing around faith without evidence vs evidence.