Kasz216 said:
mirgro said:
Kasz216 said:
mirgro said:
I am fairly sure any of the nine who are dead would have rather been in the water with a broken arm than shot. Same for being gased. In fact since it's so small, gas would have worked even better than on wide open city blocks.
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I'm not talking about them.
I'm talking about the Israeli's who legally boarded.
I don't think you can do much swimming with riot gear on.
So then, instead you've got a bunch of drowned Israeli soldiers, and another round of people with life guns go down... and you end up with ATLEAST those 9 dead if not more. You can't control people on a boat with riot gear. That's just stupidity... not enough room to backup, and if you fall off the side, your dead. People shouldn't have to put up with that.
If people didn't want to die... they should of surrendered.
Like the other 2 boats did. In situations like that... when people riot, they put their lives in their own hands.
Or this boat. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10245176.stm
They have noone to blame but themselves in the first place for the whole situation because they willingly and knowingly left port to try and break a blockade.
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Alright fair enough, but what about the gas? What is their excuse for not using gas and instead opted for deadly force?
Also maybe you aren't aware of riots, or civilian mobs, but they aren't the types of mass gatherings that just surrender. Whatever their reason was, they were ust an unarmed mob of rioters. A very small one at that. Yes they were on a ship, however that does not change the fact that they were an unarmed mob, and killing them is probably the most reatrded action anyone could have done in this day and age. Send them to jail, break a bone or two, but killing no. Killing rioters is on the same level of retarded and fucked up as Kent State and Tananmen Square, as far as this is concerned it's really no different. Israel just fucked up hard.
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You know... you'd have a point, if it wasn't for the fact that the other 4-5 ships DID just surrender. It's not even remotley similiar to those other two... you really need to put things in perspective if you think otherwise... think if your bias isn't creeping in.
As for why they didn't use gas.
Again... THEY DID USE GAS. It didn't stop the rioters. Gas pretty much never does.
They exhausted all non-lethal options.
So, once again, your non-lethal force is getting beaten, you've used gas, the mob hasn't dispersed?
What other option is there?
It's either Lethal Force or let your troops die. Period.
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Didn't know they used gas, first of all. Second, use of lethal force on unarmed rioters is despicable in any situation, and it always will be. I have no hate towards Israel, well, no more han towards Palestine, so I am just going by the facts here.
Another thing, the troops would have been perfectly safe had they not been on the ship in the first place. Are you willing to tell me that there was absolutely no way that they could stop the ship, short of sending in commandos? I''m sure that this wasn't a magic ship, and had such things as a rudder or engines.
