BrayanA said:
mirgro said:
BrayanA said:
mirgro said:
BrayanA said:
Badassbab said:
1 ArnoldRimmer
The IDF kills innocent civilians- FACT. Not an opinion but fact. In fact it has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians since it's creation (Occupied territories and Lebanon). Resorting to massive use of violence is what it's well known for and what it does best when it's policies are challenged whether it's peacfully or violently.
The killing of civilians in this particular incident is unfortunate for Israel as it involves a wide mix of people from all over the world including activists from countries it has diplomatic relations with and members of NATO. This has bought it to major world wide attention.
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IDF forces were attacked when they legaly try to board, check my previous post:
4. It is legal to attack neutral merchant vessels in international waters acording to International Law (SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT) if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture" (See first link). As you can see from the second link: "breaching a blockade" - checked, "prior warning" - checked, "refuse to stop" - checked.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk
As you can see from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
they were attacked by the mob on the top deck - so they can not be "innocent civilians". Every police and army can defend if they were attacked. So here the question is when IDF kill the people. If they shoot at them when they attack them - they are not guilty. If they shoot after they surrender - they are guilty. Do you have prove for the second one !!!!!!
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They fucked up because they sent in armed forces on board. Can you tell me what country uses armed forces against unarmed civilian mobs in this day and age?
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Nobody board a ship with police. All blockades are enforced by army. Did USA blockade Cuba with police forces? This is a job for the army. Did you care to read the International Law for Armed Conflicts at Sea I already posted? Do you know what word "attacked" means . Nobody use police for attack operation.
How other 5 vessels were capturted without any force? Because the people in them does not resist.
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So I guess an unarmed mob now consitutes an attack on a country? Man, I don't know what fucked up world you live in, but you should really lighten up and realize that the people on the boat were nothing more than unarmed civilians.
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What means unarmed mob and what means peacefull protesters?
Thise are peacefull unarmed protesters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ba0iXUzxu0
This are not:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W_0KzI1P4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn3jTT0afZk
- people attacking soldiers with metal poles and metal chains - checked
- people attacking soldiers with knifes - checked
- people trowing stun granades and fire bombs at soldiers - checked
At the moment first soldier stepped on the ship 5 people attacked him immediately - so they started first, not the soldiers.
Well ... what can I say more? If somebody is beating you with a metal pole and onother one stabbed you with a knife in the back and you have a gun what will you do in this situation? Wait till they beat you up or use your gun to protect yourself?
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ohhhm uhhmmm....
You know, the israelis took a boy as a shield some years ago!!!!
israel is the biggest terror organisation in the world!!11
/sarcasm
