*Used Games?*

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ZenfoldorVGI said:

mirgro said:

ZenfoldorVGI said:

mirgro said:

Brand spanking new.

Basicallt I buy them new for the same reason I don't pirate. I actually want to support the developer by giving them money, not swindling them out of it. Though, it seems piracy may have less of an afect on sales than even used games if some statistics from the US and Dutch governmens can be taken seriously, so an even better reason not to buy used.

The difference is, with piracy, no money changes hands, and thus the economy suffers. With used games, people in the game industry profit, including gamestop and their employees and the gamers themselves who buy and sell used games. When the flow of money increases, it actually STIMULATES the gaming economy, when no money at all changes hands, period, this causes the economy to stagnate. That is why piracy is illegal. There is an entirely seperate reason why buying and selling used games is legal, but pretty much, I'm just explained to you why piracy is bad for gaming, and the buying and selling of used games is arugable.

Morality aside, most of the people in the videogame industry don't develop or publish games. They are the gamers who buy and sell used and new games, and the employees of the brick and morter, or online stores who sell them, or the people who make VGChartz here, or the millions of reporters and programmers who live their life and make their money off of the industry. Without the buying and selling of used games, people would invitably turn to piracy or just not play those games at all, and thus stagnate, rather than stiumlate the economy.

Another thing to note, piracy is illegal, while buying and selling used games is encouraged by many within the industry. The "talent" as it were gets top billing, but overall, they are only a small part of the gaming economy, and thus should only be considered as a small piece of the pie in any argument concerning the nature and business of our industry. These people can program and perform simple math, but when it comes to economics and instury, they are probably just as ignorant as the common gamer.

That's a great way of thinking about it. However, the people at Gamestop are not part of the industry. The Industry consists of the players, and the people who make the game. Everyone else is a middleman. If you want to support the industry, you buy new, if you want to support leeches you buy used.

I will dismiss your talk of piracy as innocent banter, and I won't delve too much into your "studies" which imo, don't mean a goddamn thing, and are probably spin, but I want to address the bolded:

You are saying that people who work in the videogame industry at Gamestop, and people who work on websites, like this one, journalists, salesmen, business execs, analyists, and the millions of people who dedicate their livelyhood to videogames, actually DON'T work in the videogame industry? What about the publishers who FUND the game!?

What the hell industry do you think they are in then?

That sir, is complete ignorance. People who work at Gamestop ARE part of the industry, they exist because they are part of it. Their business is the buying and selling of videogames. This website and its creators ARE part of the videogame industry, because they choose to be part of it. They contribute to it in invaluable ways, and they also profit for it if necessary or possible. Middlemen ARE part of the industry, this is the very nature of any industry.

It's like saying that the people who work at Mcdonalds aren't part of the service industry, only the chefs and the people who buy their foods are part of that industry. That is completely ignorant. You believe that because they aren't "flashy" or because in your opinion, they don't contribute to the particular part of the industry that you want to promote, that they don't exist, or that they don't matter, which is completey selfish, ignorant, and insulting to me, and probably to everyone who helped make the industry what it is today, developers included.

Help me understand what the hell it is you're talking about.

Oh that's nice, so you discredit studies done by the following entities: IFPI (the study saying pirates buy more than non-pirates, so they probably threw in spin against the pirates not in their favor), the Dutch Government, and the US government. I mean yes, surely they are spinning what they found in favor of pirates, especially the IFPI, they definitely want to make pirates appear better than they actually are.

Are you even hearing just how poor of an argumenter you are? I stopped reading past that first sentence because you obviously cannot argue unless you dismiss evidence against you. So arguing with you is no better than arguing with the wall.

I will dismiss your talk of the indusstry as innocent banter, and I won't delve too much into your opinions which imo, don't mean a goddamn thing, and are probably spin.