2010 NBA Playoffs

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Kasz216 said:

Baddman said:

its not that i dont like the speculation but it seems people always try to discredit players with their what if he didnt play with so and so  totally neglecting that the team hadn't won shit prior to his arrival and continued winnin after david robinson retired and tim duncan did play powerforward those years after robinson retired and that team been through so many different roster changes while staying amongst the top of the leagueand made the playoffs every year ever since....also lol i might just be a little more touchy when ppl try to discredit duncan(home town representative)

It's nothing about discrediting Duncan... and everything about putting PF in the greater context of position value.

Put it this way... Compare Kobe Bryant to Tim Duncan.

Tim Duncan is the greatest power foward of all time.

Kobe Bryant is like... 3rd-5th best when it comes to shooting guards.  He ain't passing Jordan or Bird.  You'd be hard pressed to have him over Oscar Robertson.

Many people would say "Kobe doesn't deserve to be in the argument with Duncan because Duncan was the best PF in the leage... while Kobe is like the 3rd-5th best SG (Depending on how this series goes.))

However, if Tim Duncan ended up at C, like he was supposed to be drafted to play... he's probably the 3rd-5th best C out there.

Kareem and Russel go over him.  You could argue Wilt and Shaq respectivly as well.  Though Shaq does lack logevity it's hard to ignore his pure dominance when he was top.

PF just isn't loaded like C or SG.   You've got Duncan... then... Karl Malone?   Really?

It's the same with PG.

You've got Magic Johnson then a big drop off.

SF is even worse actually.  Your best SF is... Dr. J?     Then who?  Hell you could already argue Lebron James is the second best SF of all time and he doesn't even have a ring and still has half his career left.  Heck you could even make a half hearted arguement that he's already the best based on how poor Dr. J played in the NBA... his amazing years coming in the ABA which was second rate.

Of course there is always Elgin Baylor too.  Really SF is the weakest of the bunch.  Though I probably say this only because of my love of Magic Johnson. 

Who I'd actually argue deserves to be in that Number 1 spot over Jordan... because he was nearly as good as Jordan... but could play all 5 positions.

Correct me if Im wrong but Larry Bird was billed as a Small Forward and Oscar was a Point Guard. I understand what your saying and for the most part I agree with you. Except for the Magic and Jordan part but that's a whole other discussion and debate I would have to dig deep for mainly due to the fact you could compile quite a strong argument for Magic.

My Top 5 of all time at each position in order.

PG: Magic, John Stockton, Oscar Robertson, Isiah Thomas (yeah I went there), Steve Nash/Jason Kidd (Tie)
SG: Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant (that pains me), George Gervin, Jerry West , Allen Iverson (My controversial pick)
SF: Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Scottie Pippen, Elgin Baylor, LeBron James (Really weak position)
PF: Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Bob Pettit, Kevin McHale
C: Kareem, Shaq, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Hakeem The Dream