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Samus Aran on 28 May 2010
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highwaystar101 said:
Samus Aran said:
highwaystar101 said:
He is a peaceful man.

It's just that the kind of peace he wants will only come about by threatening the rest of the world to conform on pain of death... Kinda defeats the object.

Cause the Western peace is so much better right? You know except for the fact we're destroying our world and the south is paying for all the ecological and social costs while the north is leeching from their back.

With north I mean Europa/USA and with south I mean mostly Africa, but south america and parts of Asia as well.

Because of our global economical system 9 million people die of starvation each year in AFRICA alone. It's destroying the local agriculture which is/was the primary source of survival for many people in the world. A lot of people will die for our global economical system. A lot. 

A. Are you suggesting that if president Ahmadinejad conquers the world through a bloody genocidal war, all of that would stop? Is a better system of peace "do as we say or you will die"?

B. I know that the world is unbalanced and we are causing vast amounts of damage to it and exploiting the poor. But I fail to see how that has anything to do with trying to reason that their way of achieving peace through threats and violence to force conformity is better than our way of achieving peace through diplomacy, with violence most often being a last resort.

No, I'm just saying that the West isn't better then the Rest and that we should stop thinking that the way of the West is a normal path to take. The path the West took(Rise of the West, and the Great Divergence) wasn't normal. Why should other people be forced to follow something?

Just because the Pax America is very strict and focused on international organisations doesn't mean that there aren't any better systems out there. There's clearly a fundamental problem with the USA. If everyone followed the example of the USA then we'd need 5 extra planets... Participation in the world market doesn't solve the problems of the poor countries like many people say. In fact, it makes it even worse. Europa/USA only make up for 20% of the world population yet they own 70% of the wealth in the world.  

You can judge about Ahmadinejad all you want, but in the end, we aren't much better(we are however a lot better in treating our own people better then Ahmadinejad is doing in Iran, obviously). At least not for the south(Africa, south america, parts of Asia, etc.)