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nightsurge on 20 May 2010
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PhoenixKing said:
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Rath said:
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when I see threads like this, I'm glad I identify myself as christian

Thats not as clever as you think it is...

well i wasnt trying to be ''clever'' or anything. im glad i am not in one of the most arrogant group of people in the world

Which group is this? The one that claims to know utterly the absolute meaning of the universe or the one that claims to be almost entirely ignorant?

@this sort of discussion in general,

I don't know why people get into this.

Both the devoutly religous and the devoutly non-religious have those among them who are arrogantly certain of their beliefs.  Neither has cornered the market on sanctimony or general douchebaggery.

All of which bares it self out every time two or more people get together to try and convince each other that one side or the other is really worse about it than the other.

The bottom line is neither side can be sure their right, and neither side is going to convince the other their wrong.  So really the only reasons left to have the discussion is if you just enjoy arguing about it or if you're interested in theology/philosophy.  I'm all for the later kind of discussion but I can't help but get the sense that this is not exactly where this is headed right now, ya know what I mean?

 

 

Agree entirely on all of this.

Actually, this is a pretty bad argument.

The problem is, there are a wide variety of religions and different religious interpretations and all religions claim to be the truth.

I'll clarify what I mean:

 

Assume any particular religion and/or religious sect is correct in their beliefs. That is to say a religion is entirely 100% correct as they've claimed.

Why does this create a problem for many religious followers?

Answer: Because if one religion, or religious sect IS the truth, then ALL other religious beliefs (and different sects to some extent) are false beliefs.

Atheism, commonly thought of as the rude, brash, childish, and even juvenille of all belief systems OBJECTIVELY disagrees with ALL religious beliefs because of their basics.

A believer of a religion believes their religion is right (and commonly will spend their entire lives believing in said religion) and is, in fact, an atheist to all other beliefs that don't agree with theirs.

So, while there ARE jerks on both sides of the religious spectrum, it would be a lie to say that either of them are equally credible. In fact, religious believers are technically atheists themselves so there is a certain level of hypocrisy in hating atheists.

And yes, I am an atheist.

Does that mean that you should no longer trust what I say? Aren't I the one being looked unfavorably upon because we simply don't agree on a matter of personal choice?

And who knows? Am I an atheist? Or am I a religious believer who sees hypocrisy in the religious community and simply want people to be more fair and ignore the stupidity on both sides?

You're free to ignore me but I think I've made my point so I'll just leave now as I'm sure I've upset many of you.

I don't follow how you think religious believers are atheists...

Atheism even in it's most broadest sense is simply the belief that there is no god or deities.  Yet every religion believes there is at least ONE god.  Religious followers would then be termed "theists" following the Theism belief in there existing at least one god or deity. Not atheists.