Ah, but from a programmers perspective, it may as well be the same thing as a Wii... isn't that what you said? I mean, they don't sell many DS Phats in Japan anymore, but people still make games for DS, don't they? You just said that, because the Wii is the same as GameCube, five people can make a new (according to you, bad) game every 18 months. So that's possible after only five years. You're also telling me that PS3 will last 8 years, which means that for over 1/3 of its shelf live, the same will be applied to PS3. You've *ALSO* said that it's going to take a few years for PS3 to pick up steam. Meaning, using only your own words and opinions, the PS3 is only going to have a window of 3 years where it's actually a viable console.