Why do americans say Obama is black?

[Kasz216]

shio said:

Kasz216 said:

libellule said:

 

Hopefully, I m here to kick some ass again ;)

Let's put away those eastern european people.
Let's focus on black versus white because it is a lot easier to deal than arab or asian or latino
Let's focus on US vs FR
I decided to put away UK because it makes the comparaison harder and because my point applicate mostly to France. I will say the same for spain for example ...

so, first, I would say that FR has A LOT less black people in their territory AND that those people come quite recently in FR (well, most of them). So, FR is dealing with a 50 years old proble, 100 years at worst.
At the opposite, black people live in US since the creation of the country.

US : black + white
FR : white until recently

second point, the immigration rate of the black population is very different between the countries. France has a lot of africans immigration RIGHT NOW while the immigration rate in US is quite reduced as most black people are endemic black people that lived there since severals generation. This means that the level of integration (culture/language) is not at all the same.

US : endemic black
FR : recent immigration

so what do we have at the end ? France is dealing with a quite new problem that is FAR more complex that the one in US because the difference is not only skin. It is also language, culture, religion, etc ... AND it is a NEW problem.

I do believe, that we are dealing with it a lot better than US.
To me, US is full of "unexpressed" hatred (who said Xbox live ?) and unexpressed communautarism despite those supposed great Affirmative Action law.

Finally, since this is not the same "black population" and the same context, using poor statistic based on unemployement rate in the minorities without taking account the specificity of each country means nothing
At the end, I can't myself either prove which is the most racist country between Fr and Us.

Yeah... none of those points actually matter however.

Reason being... the studies factor out anything EXCEPT credentals.  They are ONLY using race as an indicator.  None of it is based on anything except level of qualification for a job.

In the end I CAN prove which country is the most racist.  The one where 90% of all hiring has resulted in racism.

The US is more free then any other country about racism.  There is no "unexpressed hatred"  That's the point.   The US allows MORE free speech not less.

I swear... I don't think most of you even know what Affirmitive Action really is, you treat it as if it's some big overwhelming law where people go from buisness to buisness counting minorities.

Affrimitive Action is nothing but 3 things more or less.

1) Common equality laws.

2) It allows colleges to let in underpriviliged students of a minority if they want too.  Why would they want to when your output of students effects your reputation?  Multiculutral campuses tend to perfrom better...  The smarter white children actually learn more when exposed to people of other races.

3) It allows public service jobs to put in quota's so the public service jobs are representative.  Again this makes sense...  I mean, think about your own country... say some Muslim youths are loitering in one of their suburbs infront of a store... who are they going to reaact to more negativly?  A white cop, or an Arab cop.

No country is "postracial" yet.  Which is why it's important to have the police and other public service workers represent their communities.  So there is less "they came late because of our neighborhood" or  "They're only hassling us because of our race."

Answer me this:

1- What about the poor, under-qualified white people in US? They're the ones getting hurt the most about your Affirmitive Action!

2- Why should the white portuguese have less benefits than other racial minorities?

3- Since the white portuguese were enslaved by muslims before, do they deserve to have more benefits than muslims, or less?!

1)  Once again... did you even read what Affirmitive Action is?  This isn't a problem.  A very SMALL amount of people are getting "hurt" to the benefit of everyone except those few small people, since having people of a different minority provides benefits for white students in the colleges, and having a more diverse police force means more respect for the police.  And you know... the statistics already PROVE YOU WRONG.  Without affirmitive action, poor white people would have an advantage over poor black people.  The fact that statistically we are better off then you pretty much proves without a doubt that white poor people AREN'T being hurt... they are having some, but not all of the benefit they hold of being white countered for.

2) They don't.  When all things are treated equally by the government... White portugese have MORE benefits than anybody else.  White Portugese aren't a racial minority.  The Majority gains advantages simply from being the majority.  Take a simple sociology class.

3) Neither.  In Portugal, there should be laws protecting the muslims from racism.  In majority arab countries there should be laws protecting white people.