thelifatree said:
weaveworld said:
lestatdark said:
weaveworld said:
lestatdark said:
weaveworld said:
perpride said:
@letstat - It's all about learning to appreciate the change. I've been a LONG TIME fan of the series. The first time I played was almost two decades ago. Every single game makes huge changes and I welcome these changes 99% of the time.
For me, the battle system is a huge part of any JRPG. Final Fantasy is amazing because they are constantly innovating in this department. This is also the reason I regard FFXIII and XII as two of the best games in the series.
Here's two of the reasons ppl hate FFXIII:
1 - Not a PS3 exclusive. It seriously bothers PS3 fanboys to see such amazing sales for a game that was supposed to be exclusive. Honestly, half the hype for this game turned into hate before it even released.
2 - Not Nintendo exclusive. Believe it or not, there are still nintendo fanboys that are bitter about the fact that Final Fantasy moved onto different platforms. You can spot these people very easily: they think the series sold out after VII.
what I find weird with Final Fantasy is how passionately people hate it. I mean, when a person doesn't like a game, they usually just don't play it. With FFXIII, it seems people will go out of their way just to troll the game. Look at Rhada's signature for reference. It's like they feel the need to express their hate at every possible moment. |
I've been a 'long' term fan myself, and the new iterations still don't give me the same kind of 'satisfaction' the older games gave me. Be it the lack of sidequests, the focus on graphical orgasms, the lack of minigames or the lack of... lets call it the x-factor.
I won't hate on any Final Fantasy yet but still FF13 hasn't given me the emotions while playing the 'others' (VI, VII, VIII etc.) gave me. There IS something different, and i do not mind innovation, but i do mind simplification. Sure, try to cater to a new audience, but do not defend a series that is trying something new and make everyone who dislikes it a 'moron' with your two statements. I've seen lots of reasonable arguments why 13 just isn't all that and they have nothing to do with your summary.
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The thing about the aparent simplification of FF in FFXIII has no right to be so.
I'm not saying that the simplification isn't there, but it was already there on FFX, and on FFXII they brought back a much higher level of complexity. That's typical of the FF main series, as it fluctuates along each new game.
The same also happened with previous FFs. In terms of complexity, one can say that FFV was utterly more complex than FFVI, yet that didn't mean that it would stay the same for the next FF games. One cannot simply look into one game on the FF series and then create elations for the future of the series, because it's always changing.
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You are right in the fact that it is always changing. But by simplification is not just ment(?sp) the toughness of battles. It is a mere statement of not having to search for answers/characters/storyline/sidequests. It might include the easiness of finishing the last battle which hasn't been a pain since FFVIII/IX... to me at least.
One should understand the so called hatred toward a series that is trying to change/innovate. The question is whether the change is made for the purpose of being innovative or merely to cater to a broader audience which seems very likely within the FF franchise nowadays... to me again at least.
Hell, ask the people in Greece whether they like the change that is brought upon them
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Well, since FF has never been a series that has pushed me to a limit in which I can consider a pain to finish the battles (except for some superbosses like Omega in FFXII or Ozma in FFIX), I never felt that it suddendly has changed for a more easy approach. Some games feel more strategic and others feel more linear in terms of battle approach.
I agree that FFXIII pushed the overall simplification too much, focusing more on the graphical package and the story rather than everything else, but as I said, this has been intermitent with all FFs, not just the recent ones.
Keeping a formula stale, if not correctly applied (and there aren't that many RPGs that can correctly apply the same formula), can be just as bad as non-sensical change. And I can't seriously comment on your last phrase since both situations have nothing comparable in them.
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Things need to change in Greece... people protest...
Final fantasy made a change... people protest...
But maybe i'm just making strange comparisons.
But to respond, i personally had a 'hard' time finishing the final bosses in V, VII and VIII. And i never stated that they had changed suddenly for an easier approach. It just feels like it is getting more easy to come to, and finish the last battle. And by saying this has been 'intermitent'(?) with all FF's i disagree. The focus on graphical splendor did not stand in the way of making an absolute masterpiece with FFIX. Seriously, I don't think that has ever gotten in the way of creating an outstanding and very elaborate FF... up untill now.
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For one I find, comparing Final Fantasy Drama, to Greece is a lil insensitive that their problems are equivalent to a videogame, but that's fine I guess.
FF8) Lionheart + Eden
FF7) uhh... That was easy, for me atleast.
Except for people when FFVIII was released many did not think it was outstanding, many did. Same with FFIX, Same with FFXII. Same with FFXIII. So it's possible that yes this FF is more polarizing, which it is for some reason. However many people still find FFXIII outstanding, when people didn't like FF8 and you did, some people didn't like it. You don't like FFXIII that's fine.
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