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I'm still waiting for confirmation on that claim that some games require a disc loaded firmware update on consoles that aren't connected to a network. I'm willing to settle for ANY PS3 game.

Kaz claims the former with the alleged proof that it must be so since he doesn't keep his console connected to a network. One can only assume some, most or even all of the firmware updates he's installed to date have been off a BD game disc.

I just have to say that it's really odd that in three plus years of PS3 use, I've never been able to update firmware from a game disk. I've ALWAYS had to download the updates (in some cases go through the hassle of downloading them through a PC when PSN was breaking connections), which I'd rather not do if it was on my latest game disc since it takes more time and eats more bandwidth.

So I will deliberately leave the 3.15 firmware update on my original PS3 until I have a game in hand that requires me to install the latest firmware off the game disk before playing without arguing over which developer "may" or "will" do this in the near future, or even in the distant future when the first "3D only" game is published, which will obviously require a firmware update since 3D support was added after 3.15.

Either Kaz is correct, or will be correct in the indeterminate future a year or even later from now, or I'm going to have really old firmware on my console when that day finally arrives.