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FootballFan on 01 May 2010
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highwaystar101 said:
FootballFan said:
highwaystar101 said:
FootballFan said:


So under your definition(s) Brown saying he wants "British Jobs for British people" was inciting racial hatred? There is nothing wrong with being nationalistic and being proud of your nation. It's a shame that my generation has being brought up by seeing patriotism as been a negative trait...

Wait a minute for me to laugh at that straw man argument... Haha.

Don't accuse me of holding a position that I don't actually hold.

There's nothing wrong with supporting your own people and even favouring them. Brown didn't say that foreign workers would not be allowed, or anything like that. It's perfectly fine to support your own population and still allow foreign workers to gun for any job they want.

The BNP used the analogy of the Japanese Physicist, now that I don't agree with. That's just unfair because the immigrant is outright being told when and where they can work. That's not the same as what Brown proposed at all, he would allow immigrants to do any job they could get. Nick griffin would bring in an immigrant and tell them what job to do and not let them have the opportunity to do anything else.

And I bet Nick Griffin would seldom import labour, even if the country was falling apart at the seem because we've ran out of scientists and skilled labourers.

From my interpretation, British jobs for British worker meant that if, two people of the same ability went for a job the British person would get priority. If it was the case that he was putting the case forward that British people could go for any job in Britain and they would ahve an equal oppotunity of getting it as a foreign national then why even mention anything?

To your last point, if there wasn't such a underfunding of the school system there wouldn't be a need to get foreign scienstist and people in the first place. For way to long we have been having a worse education success rate than many european countries.

Favouring a British worker with the same ability is fine, but the fact is a foreign national can apply for any job they like and if they're significantly better then they'll get the job.

British jobs for British workers would mostly affect the unskilled, so if two people went for an interview as a shelf stacker, the British person would be more likely to get hired. However, if they went for an interview at a nuclear power station and the British applicant held an a-level in physics and the German applicant held a PhD in nuclear Physics, then the German would get the job.

That system is not racist, it's just supporting your own people a little bit. Whereas just letting British people get jobs over the foreign worker regardless of experience, or even just outright instructing the foreign worker on what the job they have to do is, is not acceptable.

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As for schooling, yes the system isn't perfect, but what is the solution? You can't just fund the schools indefinitely to produce more scientists, the well acknowledged fact that their is no correlation between states education funding and states average grades in the USA is evidence of this.

The problem lies much deeper. The schools system isn't underfunded, it's under performing.

 

My solution would be to hit the root cause of why certain children neglect their oppotunities. Firstly, if they didn't have such a luxurious life for doing nothing then it would encourage them to have a work based life contributing to society and to the economy. I could actually fund it, take the illegal attack on Islam in the middle east. The Iraq war costing billions could be pumped over time into the schools system. Why should we be spending billions in order to sort out a mess caused by others? Charity starts at home and we have no right to go to other countries and try to tell them and enforce western ideas on their country.

It's underperforming because we aren't taking on the best of individuals. Teaching is something that has an oversaturation and we should pick from the best....in order to produce the best.