Why I think the Arizona law should be overturned..

[TheRealMafoo]

Sqrl said:

TheRealMafoo said:

I agree with you, on all but one point... the fence.

A fence will stop no one. If a man is going to risk his life for 2 days in a desert, he is going to find a way past a simple fence.

The way you stop it, is remove the reason they come over. In California, look up how many companies have been fined for hiring illegal aliens. When you find one, let me know.

The problem is not new laws, or fences. enforce the laws we already have, and no one will want to come to this country (well, other then people running guns and drugs).

95% of all the people who come here, come here looking for work. Remove that option, and we will be fine.

Whoa whoa...who said the fence is there to stop people? 

The UAVs and the Border Agents stop people.  The fence slows them down enough to let UAVs concentrate their searches and provide time for Agents to arrive.  That's why we're not spending a bunch of money on the fence to make it high-tech.  We just want something that provides a good mental barrier as well as a minor physical one that buys our agents some time to react.

We have a river, although in some places it's not very wide, I think in all places it slows people down.

If I could get from A to B in 2 minutes, if you put a fence in the way, I can get there in 2 minutes and 10 seconds. It's not going to do anything.

By the way, I am not just saying this hypothetically, I know this to be true. When I worked for the military in New Mexico, we did work for the border patrol. We evaluated ways to prevent people from crossing the border.

Why I can't talk to much about what we did, or how effective it was, I can say a fence is pointless. A UAV however, is a good idea.. if you can afford to operate them, or plan to do anything about the data you collect.

The other thing we have to change is policy. When we do catch someone, we just drive them back over and release them. Some people have been caught 2-3 times in the same day.

We need to just remove the desire to come over here... aside from killing people, there is no other way to keep very determined people out. Hell, thousand die each year trying to get here from the desert, and they still come.