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badgenome said:
Sqrl said:
badgenome said:

I can understand some sort of an amnesty way, way down the line after the bleeding has been stopped for some number of years, but I can't see why should they be made citizens as opposed to being given some sort of guest worker status or legal residence. And in terms of family reunification, just where would you draw the line? If you let 10-12 million people bring over their extended families, or even just their very large immediate families, that can get out of control very quickly.

Obviously the details need to be hammered out, but my point is that we unfortunately will have to accept some form of amnesty once we stop the flood and fix the immigration laws.  We can't just ignore the folks that are here, and reality is that it would be a impossible to try to send them all home (I would if we could). 

How we go about solving that is certainly up for debate but some form of amnesty will be required ...as much as I dislike the idea of rewarding anyone for a crime....

After a period of time, I would agree, but quite often a false choice is presented between amnesty and rounding up everyone and sending them home overnight. I think attrition through actual, serious enforcement would be incredibly effective.

Yeah that's a fair point, I think there is definitely a bit of an all or nothing prospect pushed out there despite there being plenty of in-between.

But there still should be some form of amnesty at play.  While I despise their illegal entry into the country there are fantastic people who contribute greatly to the country while here...in a lot of cases more than most citizens.  Those people I have really no problem with amnesty that leads to citizenship, on the other end are felons..I think most would agree we don't want to import criminals so I'd say send them back home.  Everyone in between those two extremes is where it gets to be a gray area..and I honestly don't have the answer for how to handle it.

I just know that that step is AFTER securing the border and untangling the bureaucratic morass called immigration that we currently have.

But most critically enforcement is where things really need to change.  No matter what we do or how we do it, if we conclude the process by going back to a non-enforcement policy like we have now, the whole thing just starts over.



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