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greenmedic88 on 25 April 2010
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ironman said:
johnappseed84 said:
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Lord N said:
ironman said:
johnappseed84 said:
dunno001 said:
johnappseed84 said:

So, do you think we will see a price cut for 360 in the near future to make it's price seem more reasonable when you realize you're not getting quite a lot out of the box in comparison to the other consoles? I could see myself not feeling bad about buying a 360 at $200.00 with a 60 gig harddrive, the three year extended warranty, and the ability to get a year of xbla gold and $50.00 worth of gamer points for the price of a PS3.

I've bolded the big difference and problem with your reasoning. That $300 would get you lots (or at least a few) downloadable games and a year of online play with them. Or that $300 gets you a PS3... with online, sure, but nothing to play on it. You're going to need to spend more money to get a game, whether it be $50 for again, more DLable games, or $60 for a new retail release. Of course, this same could be spent to further grow your 360 library, too... so it really comes down to which system just has more that you want, looking at games and features.

Oh yeahriginal topic. I'd say around Natal's release. The lower price will help clear out the older non-Natal units, allowing Microsoft to have Natal bundled with most systems for the holidays.

My reasoning on this is that you get a blu-ray player with your purchase of a PS3 for $300.00 and you don't get a blu-ray player with an Elite for $300.00. Therefore being able to have a 360 with a 60 gb harddrive, a free year of Live, and $50.00 of downloadable games for $300.00 would be equivalent to what the PS3 gives you for $300.00.

 

 

Halo: Reach and Natal aren't going to have as big an effect as some people think.

If we've learned anything this generation, it's that there is no such thing as a system seller, and that it takes a steady stream, a strong, standing library of games that appeal to all demographics to move hardware. GTAIV should have taught us this when the PS3 and 360 sales spiked for 2 weeks and then returned to normal. Halo: Reach, much like the rest of the 360's library, will appeal mostly to core and hardcore gamers, most of whom already have a 360.

I honestly don't see why anyone thinks that Natal is going to be a saving grace either. No mid-generation controller add-on or peripheral has ever played a significant role in a soncole generation, much less a decisive one. The Powerglove, Sega CD, Sega 32X,? Hello?

 

Sigh,  You are making the wrong comparison.  Your comparable is closer to new console launch than a peripheral launch.

I would be interested in a 360 Slim with a harddrive for $199. With me the jury is still out on Natal as far as being a motivating influence with me to buy a 360 until I see that it somehow makes core games play better than the standard controller does. Ie. if a metal gear game comes out for natal and you control its stealth actions by hiding behind the furniture in your living room, etc, that would seem much less fun or maybe no more fun to me than by playing with a standard game controller.

That's because you haven't learned to think outside the box. Do you really think Natal is going to be like that? That would be a recepie for a flop day one. No, the devs over at lionhead are smarter than that. 

@Lord N: Nobody ever said Natal would be the saving grace, but it combined with heavy bundling and Halo Reach will move enough consoles to pull away from the PS3 once again. 

@ greenmedic: 

Yes you can purchase a remote, but even with that it's still rather clumsy. Anyway, the average consumer will not purchase the remote because it's "too much of a hassle". Also, you have to remember, the PS3 slim is out and the price was cut by $100.00, those two facters are pretty much the only reason it's sales numbers are doing so well, not because it has a built in bluray player. 

Also, your analysis that mostly consumers have a price point at which they will purchase the console regardless of what it is bundled with is a fallicy at best. The moment you start bundling a console with games or paraphernalia that the consumers were wanting to buy (without increasing costs), you increase the perceived value of the bundle and those consumers will be more inclined to purchase said bundle.

Show definitive proof to support your claim.

Demonstrate at least one solid example where a bundle has had a significant and permanent change (ie rising plateau effect) to sales of a specific console.

And you misinterpret what was said: the $100 price drop (ie the drop from $399 to $299) was what moved the PS3 Slim; not the fact that it came in a cheaper housing with fewer components that cost SCE a lot less to manufacture.

No claim was made about BD player functions having any sort of positive effect on the sales of $299 PS3 slim units. But the $299 SKU permanently increased PS3 sales significantly despite this. To repeat what was said: that feature was irrelevant for consumers strictly looking for a cheap BD player which were commonly available around the same time the $299 Slim debuted.

The PS3 BD remote's fine. I have yet to hear from anyone who complained about how difficult it was to use. You're simply making up an argument to support your opinion. The only complaint has been over the lack of an IR remote interface, typically among those who paid a lot of money for Harmony remotes that won't work with the PS3 Bluetooth interface.