| bdbdbd said: @r505Matt: Well, the effectiveness of walking depends on your speed and walking has quite high MET value (a little above 3, if i recall). So it depends on what and how you play with Wii Fit (i'd remember highest MET in Wii Fit Plus being 4,5 or 5), since most of the excercises are in the same range with walking. The point is, that whether you get fit with it or not, depends completely on will you use it. Case with Brain Training can't be placebo effect, because i didn't expect anything like that to happen or didn't even have a clue my memory could be improved. I bought the game after trying it because it was damn good. I just read the topic about the study and noticed that it wasn't played daily. I can't say anything about that study on my part, because the weekly doze in the study was closer to my daily doze (when i play the game, haven't been playing it in a while). I'd remember reading out loud was one of the best ways to train your brain - according to Brain Training manual. I personally don't have a problem with art being subjective. Though, that kind of negates pretty much everything what the topic is about. I would put art as non-entertainment and non-business, made for the sake of creativity. The trombone example was something i would say an artist becoming an entertainer. |
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091218125110.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/11/091116094452.htm
The second one is about MET values in Wii Sports and Wii Fit. I haven't played Wii Fit Plus, but I'm not sure what they can do differently to drastically increase MET values. Out of 46 activities, only 5 are about 4 METS. But then there's a difference between walking for 30 minutes (3.3 METs if you're going at 3 miles per hour) and spending 5 minutes on an exercise that you only move 3 minutes for (all the countdowns and loading times and such). Moderate activity is 3-6 METS, and most of the exercises are below that. Not to mention, check out the first study, usage typically decreases and in application hasn't had much of an effect.
As for the brain training games, I don't know, I just don't think there's much research on either side anyways, so when that's the case, I tend to choose the less popular side =P Just my nature to stand up for the unproven underdog. But it seems the studies just show that those games help people with cognitive problems (dementia, alzhiemer's etc.), not normal people with no prolems.
Here's Nintendo's response: "Nintendo does not make any claims that Brain Training or More Brain Training are scientifically proven to improve cognitive function."
But that's not how all artists view their own art, and it doesn't negate everything that this topic is about =P Some artists "try" to create art, as in they consciously force it thinking "I'm creating art". Others don't focus on that, and have a vision or idea or thought and try to communicate that in some way. And then there are some that don't care if they create "art" or not as long as they're doing what they want and/or love. Any of these can yield art, but the intention and methods used are very different.
To me, art is what reaches people, if art doesn't reach people, then what's the point? Or is art meant to be understood by a select few? Does that make it bad art or good art? I think what you're getting at isn't and art vs. entertainment deal, but simply different degrees in regards to the depth of the art. But even then, I don't think that's right. Or better put, "deeper" art isn't necessarily better art. Though, depth can be subjective as well, so maybe it's just that complicated, or I'm over-complicating the way I'm thinking of it =P
There is no universal definition of art that can say "This is art, and that isn't". We can debate about it forever similar to the way people debate about whether there's a universal set of morals or ethics regardless of culture or race and inherent in the truth of the world (yay Into to Ethics class). Some think that regardless of human perspective, some things are right and wrong, others disagree. There's no right answer with this or with art. But that's the fun in discussing it =) and the definitely doesn't negate things said in this topic.
