Consolitis... Ugh

[mirgro]

Squilliam said:

mirgro said:
I agree, the consoles ruined the shooter genre in many many ways. I made a huge list in another thread, so I will repost what I said:

"-DLC

PC invented that.

-Regenerating health

Not a problem I want to go back to.

-Matchmaking

Blame PC again.

-Limited guns being able to be carried

PC started it. I could only carry 2 rifles + pistol in Wolf3D.

-Following from the previous, shitty gun concepts and not much variation

PC invented the Doom clone

-Slow ass games, way slow, I grow a 5 o'clock shadow any time I try to turn 180 degress in Halo 3, GoW, CoD, etc.

Wolf3D started the slow ass FPS routine.

-Repetative gameplay, seriously look at how varied HL2 is then look at Gears of War

This statement is as cherry as this font.

-Decline of skill based games, and an astounding rise of luck based games. At least back in 2000 CS players knew heir places behind Quake/UT players, now people are actually arguing with me how Halo 3, CoD4, MW2, etc. take more skill than Quake and UT.

Skill != reflexes.

-Leveling systems in multiplayer. I realize BF2 did i first and I hated it for it, but now it's just getting rediculous.

You said it, blame PC for it.

-Zero modding tools and SDKs. Epic releases the entire UE engine for everyone who buys the game. You know the one that is used in lke 20% of all current games? Yeah that one. You get literally the whole thing and you can make amazing games without a hitch as long as youdon't charge for it.

That falls under the same category as acceptable platform tradeoff.

-Shitty models. Look at the variety of models HL, TF, Quake, UT, etc. had, and now look at the variety of models, which conosist of Marine 1, and at best Soldier 1. Then you can add little bells and whistles to "customize" them which make no fucking difference in the middle of the action.

Thats an individual developer thing. How many Barneys were there in HL1 again?

I feel that's a nice list, I am sure I have more greviances but I just can't come up with them. I will end this with a very nice thing that I do like about console shooters:

-Local multiplayer, it's fucking awesome, and while it's nowhere near as awesome and badass as a LAN party, it's very fast and it doesn't have to be premedited. A shooter on a console is absolutely worthless without local multiplayer."

Lan parties are lame.
There.

Blame PC, first.

 

-Never been asked a dime for content up until some time after 2006, after the consoles hit.

-Never has matchmaking been the only way to play online

- Only games with limited guns were ones that actually required strategy, a la Delta Force, and trust me, none of the shooters out right now have even a fraction of the tactics of those games. Wolf3D did it because of a limitation, just as consoles are doing it because of a limitation, thjough a different kind.

-Wolf3D was the very first of FPS games, literally the first. It was slow, again due to limitation, the very next game, DOOM is already faster than all console shooters released. Very very sad that consoles can't even handle a game type from early '90s.

-Repetative gameplay is not cherrypicking, any repetative shooters on the PC never got over low 80s, usually in the 70s at best. Meanwhile you consistently have games with gameplay that is copy pasted, Halo even copied the level designs, get extremely high scores.

-SKill = reflexes + tactics. Currently there is no games out there that requires the reflexes of UT, or the tactics of CSS. They just take a lot less skill, more about that later.

-After BF2 how many leveling systems did you see on the PC? 0. I rest my case.

-There is no way you can spin lack of mods and SDK into  a positive thing, especially added to my first point. The video gaming industry is the only one that removes features and asks more money for them as time progresses.

-Saying HL1 has the same amount of models as Halo is kind of pathetic, considering HL1 came out 3 years before Halo, and it still managed to have more models for online play than Halo has ever had, even right now. The last time there was only one model was probably DOOM2. THis is just fail.

 

 

This is why games in general, not just shooters, have started to suck terribly since 2006. This is a quote from DICE, the guys behind Battlefield:

"Gordon Van Dyke: It's not a shift in focus, but more like somewhere we wanted to explore. I think what happened was, consoles have reached a level where we could introduce people to something we had been giving to PC players for quite a while. It was an exciting opportunity. So we really focused on that. There are more expectations of us, for the PC game. It almost kind of makes you weary, you get nervous, you put these unrealistic expectations on yourself as a developer. You forget that the whole premise is to get something out there that's really fun. We realized that BC2 was going to provide that. We have a lot to live up to on the PC, and I think the original Bad Company's focus was to kind of...reintroduce Battlefield to a new audience on the console. BC2 is like, maybe in retrospect, we could have given BC1 to the PC but we didn't. We didn't feel like it was worth it to go back and try and do that, but we thought, "Well, let's give them BC2." It lived up to expectations, I think, what PC players were expecting. Especially for a new engine."

 

To sum it up, if console gamers were to wisen up, and actually play old FPS games, they'd probably be bitching as much as PC gamers are right now. Except they aren't so they just don't know what they should be asking of developers, thus giving developers the excuse to release shit games.