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ManusJustus on 20 April 2010
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De85 said:
ManusJustus said:

De85 said:

In this entire thread you've engaged largely in ad hominem attacks against conservatives using overly sensationalist language.  I shouldn't have to remind you, but due to your insistence on pressing this point I will anyway - the Nazis killed over 6 million Jews in just their death camps alone.  Add in the gypsies, homosexuals, and other people the Nazis oppressed and it goes up even more, with estimates ranging from 11-17 million people in total who lost their lives to the nazis. 

If you think that a few fringe radicals who in no way represent the majority of the movement or their ideals are enough to equate all conservatives with nazis then you are helplessly delusional.

Ad hominems are not fallacies.  Individuals and groups that resort to violence to force their social and political views on others are predominately conservative, thus conservatism poses a threat to democratic society.

Concerning Nazis, what did they do before they got into power?  They intimidated politicians, vandalized homes and businesses, conjured up fears of foriegners and minority groups, claim those who disagree with them don't support their country, and so forth.  Exactly how conservatives in America act.  You may be from Europe or elsewhere, or perhaps you only get your information from Fox News, but hate crimes committed by conservatives are very common in the United States.  It is very common for non-conservative groups to be personally assaulted because of who they are.  Assaults and intimidation against homosexual are still main stream in rural (conservative) areas of America.  When Jim Adkisson was asked why he brought a gun into a Unitarian Church and killed several innocent people, he said, "because I hate the liberal movement."  He wanted to commit suicide, but thought that killing liberals before being killed by police would be better.

Recently, atheist/agnostic groups started buying ad space saying "if you don't believe in God, you're not alone," but wherever these advertisements go they are vandalized; and its not fringe conservatives, its a majority of conservatives.  When President George H. W. Bush was asked if he recognized the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists, he replied, "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."  Atheists aren't considered citizens in Saudi Arabia or Iran either...

They're not solid arguments either, but rather only make you look petty while trying to make your point.

As for your whole second paragraph, you're just exhibiting a selective memory, choosing to ignore threats and violence against conservatives.  You've invented a world for yourself where you and your ilk are infallible and have never done anything wrong.  You believe yourself to be a victim, demonize everyone who disagrees with you, and refuse to see logic when it is presented to you.

Here's some logic, let's see if you can follow it:  You claim that it is a majority of conservatives who commit acts of violence against liberals.  There are around 300 million people living in the US, and according to the most recent Gallup poll I could find approximately 40% of Americans identify themselves as conservative.  By your logic and doing the math, that means that there should be around more than 60 million (majority of those 40%) who systematically commit atrocities against liberals.  Funny, I must have missed the news reports of all those attacks.

Face it, the only people engaging in violent acts are fringe radicals who do not represent the values of either the rank and file of the movement/ideology, or its leadership.  You would not look at a few isolated crimes commited by a few black people and conclude that all black people are violent, would you?  Of course not, to do so would be racist.  For some reason though you have no problem reaching that exact conclusion in a nearly identical situation.

 

This reminds me of the 9/11 attacks when thousands of Palestinians were celebrating in the streets.  Those people weren't terrorists, but they came out to support Osama bin Laden.  Thats dangerous.  Know think of American conservatives, Republican President George Bush said that atheists shouldn't be citizens, if that isn't mainstream then I dont know what is.  Thats dangerous.

A vast majority of political acts of violence are done by conservatives.  Thats a fact.  Radical Islamic terrorists are conservative, the Christian militia that wanted to kill police officers for Jesus are conservative, the Tea Party and the Muslims website posting personal addresses so other could harm their enemies are conservative. 

As I stated above, there is only a small portion of conservatives who are willing to commit acts of violence, just as there is a small portion of Muslims who are willing to commit acts of violence (which I could reach by creating a statistic from the total population of conservative Muslims and the number of Islamic terrorists and coming out with a very low percentage of violence).  But that doesn't make their beliefs any less dangerous for society.