Conservative Kristallnacht

[Kasz216]

ManusJustus said:

Kasz216 said:

I think a large problem is... Manus, you don't even know what a conservative is.

For example... the Nazi's weren't conservatives.

 

Never mind the various Socalist and Communist guerillia groups... and well... of course Stalin is up there in that list.  Most people from central and south america would disagree that liberals are less prone to violence. 

oOf course you already know this but... it just doesn't fit your world views so you ignore it.

So you understand the chart, the x axis address economic issues and the y axis addresses social issues.

Lets ask Webster what a conservative is:

Conservative - disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

Conservatives include communists, fascists, Republicans, Democrats, you name it, who want to limit change and preserve and/or restore traditional values.  On the table you provided, social conservatives occupy the authoritarian axis, that includes Thatcher, Stalin, and Hitler.  Not suprisingly Republicans also occupy the authoritarian category as do Democrats, though to a lesser extent.

Thus, Thatcher was a social conservative and economic liberal, while Hitler and Stalin were not economic liberals.  To be more specific, social conservatism is dangerous, while social and economic liberals are not (the combination of the two being libertarian).

And yes, the Nazis were conservatives, they wanted to restore German and Christian traditions, including the restoral of the German Reich (Nazi Germany being the Third Reich), and hatred towards Jews and other minority groups, among others.  Also, Nazis wanted to limit progressive change and, once they obtain power, wanted to prevent their being removed from power.

It's rather silly to call one who wants to radically change the government a conservative.

Regardless... you can't call someone who is authortarian yet not fiscally conservative a conservative.

Which is what that chart is showing actually.  Authortarianism... NOT being Conservative or Liberal socially.

Which is actually quite the mixed bag for our politicans currently.  Democrats are more authoritarian then Republicans on plenty of issues.

It's rather hard to argue Stalin WASN'T left wing in fact.  Since afterall the first stage of communism was a very brutal and authortarian regime.

Nor is it easy to argue that numerous guerillia groups in south america aren't liberal... or tons of guerillia groups... in plenty of places.  For example.  Chechnian sepratists.

Or in general if you want to use the Authortarian scale... there is always anrachist groups.

 

There is no real correlation like you would wish there is.