Metallicube said:
Khuutra said:
It's fine that you think that, as long as you acknowledge that it's not an argument and cannot be the backbone for discourse concerning the subject.
Sex has been used as performance art before, actually! It's funny you say that.
Here is the thing: you are commiting two problems here.
1. You are transforming "art" into some kind of sacred cow which cannot be touched. It isn't. Art comes from everywhere and can belong to anybody. You know Shakespeare's plays weren't art back then, right? They were derided for being full of nothing but murder and dick jokes. Now he's considered the bacbone of the entire canon of English literature. Art is changing, ever changing, based on what people find appealing and meaningful.
2. You are saying games cannot be good enough to be art. This is fallacious ou of reflex, and I dismiss it ou of hand: games have always been better at illiciting emotion for me personally than cinema, and that says a lot. In terms of conveying experience, the very itneractivity which you decry is what makes games so powerful. Yes, they are games, but games are never "just" games, even when fun is the only stated design goal of said games.
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I understand that the term art is loosely defined and somewhat relative. But then what ISN'T art, by your description? At that point art ceases to lose all its meaning, and where then is the value of art, if merely anything can be interpruted as art? At what point does the term "art" become so diluted that it loses all power and value in society?
I'm not saying games are not good enough to be art, I'm simply saying they are separate entities, thus games are not art. Games are games.
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You haven't qualified why games are separate entities: I urge you to come up with a why before you make that assertion again.
Where does art stop and begin, to me? It doesn't matter. Rather, what I think doesn't matter: like you said abov, art is relative, art is subjective, and I'm not going to give a crap about the things that the academia thinks right now when I know that perspective changes with time, and some art is only recognized long after the fact. Some people see cat shit smeared on canvas by a lunatic as art: I see hitting a block with your head and eating a mushroom to turn into a giant as art.
That's all there is.
