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ManusJustus said:

hobbit said:

lol what? the civil war was started because Lincoln wanted to use the power of the President to take away states rights. The southern states jumped the gun and started a war instead of fighting it in court. And yes in The usa we follow the constitution, just wait until the health care case gets to the Supreme Court to see this. If a majority ever got big enough that they could replace the constitution then you will see the usa break apart again.

No, it was all about slavery.  The Constitution and American ideals of democracy and freedom greatly contradicted the institution of slavery.  The South wanted to override the Constition and majority opinion from the founding of the United States of America, even having the gall to want slaves to be represented in Congress, of course their masters would do the voting.

This all came crashing down in 1865 when the North showed the backwards South who was boss.  Don't make us come back down there.  If you thought Sherman's March to the Sea was bad, next time we are going to do zig zags.

no Lincoln wanted to override the states rights to chose if they wanted slavery. Thats the root cause, no body in the north was trying to abolish slavery by an amendment to the constitution at the time. Im not sure what they teach you in schools these days. and slaves were already represented in the census count of those yrs. Ever hear of the 3/5ths compromise? Seriously nobody studies history these days. Don't make you come back down there? lol im in New york so you better be watching your six.