why can't we just talk about the facts ?

[Ssenkahdavic]

Tanstalas said:

Joel12345 said:
Fact 360 is more expensive then a ps3 even the arcade you still need a good hardrive(250GB),wifi,Xbox live,and rechargeable batteries,you still dont get blu ray
200+100+100+35+50=$485(I rounded up i think but still cost more than a ps3

^^This is fact

To get the exact same experience (with controller, saving games on the HDD, playing online, etc) yes.

Does not exclude the FACT that you do not need any of these things to enjoy the product.