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Samus Aran on 12 April 2010
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Kasz216 said:
Samus Aran said:
Kasz216 said:
Point being... Hiroshima and Nagasaki aren't even the worst thing the allies did in the war... combined Churchill's approved attack on Dresden was still worse... and the alternatives actually look worse.

The only thing they really could of did otherwise is pick different targets in Japan.

The reason they didn't is because they only wanted to drop 1 or 2 atomic bombs. They feared if they hit only military targets it wouldn't compel a surrender... so they choose targets valuable to the Japanese national ego, kill civilians, but also kill as few civilians as possible while achieving those first two objectives.

Hiroshima was an army depot, and it would kill people if they missed the depot part.

Nagasaki, was just bad luck for Nagasaki. Kokura was the second target... but it was foggy.

The worst war crime the allies commited was letting Woodrow Wilson lead the peace conference at Paris in 1919.(together with 3 other useless tools)

 

I think it's unfair to blame Woodrow Wilson.  I mean he was the one argueing for restraint afterall with his 14 points..  It was however hilariously short sited that his big push, the League of Nations was something he didn't bother to check with congress first.

Had Wilson had his way WW2 may have never happened.  It's just he was in a poor bargaining position.  Afterall the USA wasn't invaded and only entered the war later... and the US while helpful wasn't really instrumental in the war... the US was just there because of it's newfound power.

He had to change his 14 points a lot because of his League of Nations. That's the whole problem. The League didn't work anyway, so it was all in vain. He was the wrong guy to lead such a Conference. 

The treaty was either too severe for Germany or too lenient. It was too severe to conciliate and not severe enough to destroy. The allies imposed upon the German republic about the same terms that they might have imposed upon the German empire. They innocently(and foolishly) played the game of Ludendorff and the German reactionaries.  It was the Social Democrats and liberals who bore the "shame" of Versailles. Not the German army. Hence why Hitler thought Germany wasn't defeated during the first world war. Hence why the main reason for world war 2 is the treaty of Versailles.

Eventually it was the complaint of Germans in the Sudetenland that they were an oppressed minority, together with the irredentist demand of Germany to join these outlying Germans to the Reich, that produced the Munich crisis preceding world war 2.  

Even a 5 year old could tell you back then that you put 1 nationality under 1 nation. God, it caused world war 1(the Balkan wars) and they were stupid enough to repeat the same mistake. 

Ps: USA joining the allies was a decisive factor during the war. The United States navy supplied enough additional force to the Allies to make conveying and other antisubmarine measures highly effective. The submarine was no more then a nuisance by the end of 1917. The land army of the USA might have only fought for 4 months, but it was effective as well. The Germans were overwhelmed in the Argonne by the Americans. The Germans could have won the war if it wasn't for the US. They were starving Great Britain to death with their submarines and with Russia gone from the battlefield they could focus all their troops on the Western Front. Unlike world war 2 the war wasn't decided after 2-3 years.