Sony says sorry for other os take down

[Kasz216]

joeorc said:

Kasz216 said:

greenmedic88 said:

Kasz216 said:

It was in the best intrests of the majority to remove a feature the majority never used and therefore were never at risk of anything... by screwing over a minority of people who used this and who are the only people effected.

Yeah... ok Sony.

People who think Sony doing this is a positve need a major reality check.

Hell this isn't even going to slow down piracy, if anything it will probably lead to a piracy solution quicker because Sony decided to anatagonize people who use Linux on the PS3... aka hackers... and also basically threw down a gauntlet to a bunch of other people.

Hardly matters.

First, there are no PS3s being produced that run Linux.

Second, the vast majority of owners who have an older PS3 will simply update the firmware with no regard for the loss of Linux as they, like the vast majority of PS3 owners, had no intention of ever installing Linux.

Add to these the older PS3s that are no longer working.

Ultimately, you're left with a shrinking number of consoles that are capable of having a hardware hack installed on an older console that can run Linux.

Net result: it makes a slightly larger niche market for old PS3s among the small community of users determined to play pirated games.

When found, this solution does nothing for the vast majority of PS3 owners who don't have an older PS3, aren't running Linux, don't have the hardware modifications made to their console and of course the simplest part of playing pirated games: don't have a PC with a BD burner and a stack of BD media.

You're left with a pretty insignificant number of potential pirates who have to leap through quite a few hoops just to play pirated games.

So someone gets a working solution to play pirated games on a software and hardware hacked PS3. Congrats. Really; congrats. It will have taken almost four years. The only benefit for the general public wlll be the inevitable Youtube videos displaying the achievement since it won't help all but a tiny niche of people who are very dedicated to playing pirated games.

SCE isn't concerned with this tiny niche of people that will go through more trouble than it's worth simply because they can.

They're concerned with general piracy among regular consumers who wouldn't have to do anything more than pay their local hardware hacker $50 to install a mod chip and supply them with $10 burned games.

Actually no.  I mean people will work to find a way to hack the actual PS3.  Or even find a way to reset and/or customize the firmware like PSP.

So instead of only old phat systems being able to pirate for the small amount of people who want to find an old PS3 to pirate... they open it up to where every PS3 may end up being pirateable.

Other OS was actually a good diversion to keep the hackers on.

and yet that was not good enough for some hacker's!

the problem is Sony is being viewed as the Bad guy here and they are trying to protect consumer's

you may not think so but with security professional's stating something like this that Even salted encryption may not be enough :

PCI

December 11, 2007

Hashing Credit Card Numbers: Revisited Again

I recently had to revisit the estimates I provided in our white paper on brute forcing credit card hashes since new techniques were published that can speed the brute forcing up by at least a factor of 5 using off-the-shelf video cards.  Well, a month later I am having to revise the estimates again.  Nick Breese of New Zealand has published a paper at Kiwicon on using a PlayStation 3 to crack hashes.  His estimates are about 1.4 billion hashes per second for MD5.  Our proof of concept code running at about 2 million hashes per second seems kind of slow now.  Probably at least 2 billion hashes per second is feasible in the near future with readily available hardware and source code.

Storing credit cards using a simple single pass of a hash algorithm, even when salted, is fool-hardy.  It is just too easy to brute force the credit card numbers if the hashes are compromised.  Based on the potential value of the card numbers, there is more than enough financial incentive to buy a $500 PlayStation 3 and develop a little code.

When hashing credit card number, the hashing must be carefully designed to protect against brute forcing by using strongest available cryptographic hash functions, large salt values, and multiple iterations.

http://www.integrigy.com/oracle-security-blog/topics/PCI

you know it's just not about only the PSN outside of PSN there is a whole lot of other web site's with encryption.

Geohot making his hack know has not only hurt ps3 gamer's and people who use the PS3 but may of infact damage other's on the web. Sony removing the Install Other OS on the ps3 with firmware update 3.21 was a precaution they would not want to be liable for.

That's because... Sony IS the bad guy hear.

One of two.  Both Sony and the Hackers are bad guys.

The good guys are the innocent people who use Other OS who are being screwed.

I could care less about one guy doing a bad thing to get another bad guy if it leads to the innocent being hurt.

Also you know... you think the people who use the PS3 for credit card hashing are going to update their firmware?  They'll just buy a slim with all their money.