Should Nintendo launch in 2011-12 starting the next gen with monster power?

[vaio]

Mazty said:

vaio said:

Mazty said:

vaio said:

i am notr backin anything more up then I allready have untill you start backing up atleast 1 of your claims, you have been going on for several pages asking people to back things up yet you havrn´t backed up a thing, so its logical that it is your turn to back up your claims or there is only one conclusion you make things up to suit your agenda and your ass is a numbers and bullsit creator rhat shits out claims tgat are bollocks.

So show us you are a serious gamer and debater and show some supporting evidence for all your bold claims.

Okay, let's get down what we are claiming and what we know:

I am saying the next wii will have to be more than just an improved wii as it is not for hardcore gamers, so taking a hardcore gamer approach to a new console (just improve the hardware) makes no sense. Nintendo allready said that the next xonsole will have something more then HD only improvement
I say it is not for the hardcore because the wii offers no genre defying games (other than wii fit really), whereas other gaming platforms offer genre defying and revolutionary games, ergo hardcore gamers will go where the best games are, not where the casual games are. I said that the Wii has a broad audience wich includes Hardcore, core, casual and new gamers, it isnt aimed at the hardcore only and I am willing to bet that a Nintendo console will never again be aimed at the hardcore only and will continue to serve as broad audience as possible.

You claim the wii is for the hardcore because the pad can be used as a lightgun and a steering wheel, two accessories which have been around since the PS1. You have yet to say how the wii is revolutionary, and clearly have no idea about what is revoltionary nowadays mainly due to the fact you haven't played the games considered to be genre benchmarks. Never said anything about lightgun but lots about fps and sports games but you can continue to ignore that as I will continut to ignore you untill you stop ignoring my answers By the way I can give you 3 examples of genre bechmarks the wii has done this far: Supermario galaxy the best plattformer this gen according to the grades it has gotten and depending on where you look it either the best graded game or 2nd best graded game, Tiger woods golf the best golf game out there and NSMB Wii. Now you can go and refute that and dissaprove but it doesnt make it less true and it will be fun watching you ask the same question again in a post or two

There we are. So are you going to show how the wii is for the hardcore, something Nintendo even said it's not particuarly good at, or just going to trash talk PS3, PC and 360 games? I havent trash talked any of those plattforms the only one trashtalking here is you

There you go now its your turn what relevant studies shows that most wii´s are collecting dust? or that hardcore gamers havent bought a wii?

Well more than HD doesn't really tell us a lot does it...?

How does the wii have a broad audience? Casual gamers, yes. Hardcore? No Prove that there is more then enough proof on this site to prove you wrong - the wii has no genre defying games, and last I checked the hardcore gamers would go for these types of games, not casual "it'll do games". Its your opinion and you cant prove it while sales prove you wrong

The wiimote in "FPS mode" acts exactly like a light gun and therefore has all the problems of one, so dont try to act as if it's anything special. No it doenst and you only have to play a game to know that and To put it basically, pointing is more accurate, precise and natural. As a parallel, the Wiimote has more lag than the PS3 pad, but there's no doubt that you can point and shoot at opponents far more quickly in the Wii rendition of Call of Duty 4, for example. Light gun games are on rails and MWCoD4 is not on rails i would like to see you controll an FPS game with an lightgun it would be fun to watch you

To point and shoot opponents more accurate and precise and more naturall is what a real gamer wants in an FPS and thats what the wii has provided for consoles now wii and soon move will have accuracy at the same level as a mouse controlled fps and they both beat pads

Super Mario Galaxy was good, certianly, but one game, and LBP offers more in terms of online play, map making etc. Tiger woods golf is on all consoles so you arguing that motion controls make it more realisitic even though the graphics are god awful? It seems a trade off instead of a complete improvement for all the sports games, and more so for any which don't support wiimotion+.  Tiger woods golf game has wimotion+ and has been hailed by critics to be a golf game as it should be can you say that about hd version? No you cant. maybe soon you can with the move controller
NSMB Wii does absolutly nothing new or revolutionary so how the hell can you consider it a benchmark game or revolutionary for the genre? In your oppinion sales and gamers beg to differ. If you actually played it all the way through you would know

You have trashed talked the other platforms by claiming they've done nothing new, when infact that was just your utter lack of knowledge of the games shinning through. That is not trashtalk that was a fact there is not a game or genre that hasnt been done before on pc and thats what I said. consoles have only improved existing genres from pc games and thats why i dont talk about pc especially in a discusion about consoles and how console gamers will buy next gen Nintendo console

Now good to be talking to you but you seem to like to go in circles like a dog chasing his own tail and I dont like it so it was fun as long as you had any arguments but now that you are harping the same ones even after they have been answered its not fun anymore.

I feel sad for you that you cant go outside of graphics and the few genres you like to see what gaming actually is and try and enjoy all kind of games but that will probably change when you grow up I know it did for me and I am enjoying gaming more now then I did then when I had the same views like you do now.

To show how broad my gaming world is compared to yours I will give you aome examples of games I play and finished lately:

MW2 5 times finished, 

MW 1 4 times on hd and another 3 on wii

Battlefield bad company 2 finished 3 times didnt like the first one.

Bioshock 1 finishe 3 times loved this game one of my favorites this gen

Bioshock 2 finished it 3 days ago once

Metro 2033 playing it at the moment

Just dance awesome game

Mario kart Finished it at least 3 times and played 100´s of hours online

Red steal 1 finished it 5 times

Red steal 2 finished it today

FF crystal bearers playing it currently

Wiifit and wiifit+ every morning

Yoga also every morning

Wii sport

Wii sport resort

New supermario bros wii

RE 5 finishe 7 times and done all the extras both single and multiplayer

Big brain academy once every 2 days

de blob finished it once

Dead space hd version finshed it twice

dawn of discovery currently playing

Endleas ocean currenly playing

Fatal frame 4 currently playing

Fire emblem currently playin almost finished it

The godfather finished it once

kittke kings story

Madworld finished it twice

Metroid prime trilogy finished it 3 times will soon start a 4th playthrough

NFS under cover

NMH 1 finished it twice

NMH 2 got bored of it but will finish it atleast once

Pikmin raving rabbids all of them but the first one is the most awesome and gets played regulary

RE4 finished it 14 times and will play it again later

Scarface wii version finished it 7 times

Silent hill finished it 5 times

Super mario galaxy finished it once

Super monkey ball

Tiger wood 2010 wii version

Splinter cell double agent wii version

Zack 6 wiki

Tenchu

FF x111 didnt like will probably never play it again

Dragon age origins currently playing

Halo 3 finshed it 2 times

Assasinc creed 1 finished it twice will play the second one when i get more time

Fifa xbox version

Dante´s inferno finishe it twice

Gears of war 1 finished it twice

Gears of war 2 finished in 6 times and done all the extras didnt really like the first one but this was an amazing game

GTA 4 finished it once

Darksiders finished it 3 times really loved this game

There you go those are the games ive played the last 6 months or longer there are more games but just to show you how much you can enjoy gaming if you just stop being so closed minded.