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vaio said:

i am notr backin anything more up then I allready have untill you start backing up atleast 1 of your claims, you have been going on for several pages asking people to back things up yet you havrn´t backed up a thing, so its logical that it is your turn to back up your claims or there is only one conclusion you make things up to suit your agenda and your ass is a numbers and bullsit creator rhat shits out claims tgat are bollocks.

So show us you are a serious gamer and debater and show some supporting evidence for all your bold claims.

Okay, let's get down what we are claiming and what we know:

I am saying the next wii will have to be more than just an improved wii as it is not for hardcore gamers, so taking a hardcore gamer approach to a new console (just improve the hardware) makes no sense.
I say it is not for the hardcore because the wii offers no genre defying games (other than wii fit really), whereas other gaming platforms offer genre defying and revolutionary games, ergo hardcore gamers will go where the best games are, not where the casual games are.

You claim the wii is for the hardcore because the pad can be used as a lightgun and a steering wheel, two accessories which have been around since the PS1. You have yet to say how the wii is revolutionary, and clearly have no idea about what is revoltionary nowadays mainly due to the fact you haven't played the games considered to be genre benchmarks.

There we are. So are you going to show how the wii is for the hardcore, something Nintendo even said it's not particuarly good at, or just going to trash talk PS3, PC and 360 games?