Russia's bombings, whoah!

[Kasz216]

Branko2166 said:

Kasz216 said:

supercat said:
but, it's the same result, either way. Either way, you are disrupting a less advantaged country, and winning by showing them who's boss. Ultimately, you have to do this, i'm not saying that Russia's way is less heavyhanded b/c it is, just that our actions are also disruptive to the economy and sense of normalcy.

I wouldn't really say it was the same result.  The russians killed 1/4th of their population and expelled them from their land for like 40 years.

This is also assuming we believe the russians that it was those rebels.

If you study the Russian Chechynian conflict... it's really hard to find a "good guy."

Imagine the Palestine VS Israel conflict except Israel constantly ignored human rights, indiscriminatly kill and even go out of there way to kill human rights activists.

 

The deportations you speak of happened during the Soviet period while Josef Stalin was in charge. To understand the circumstances under which the deportations took place I would suggest reading here or any other numerous sources.

http://www.massviolence.org/The-Massive-Deportation-of-the-Chechen-People-How-and-why

 

By the way your comparisons between the USA getting attacked and Russia invading and then being attacked are flawed.

Until this very day there has been no proof that Afghanistan has had anything to do with 9/11. Furthermore the bombers that the USA itself states took part in the attack were mostly Saudi nationals.

The Chechnia situation would be more comparable to a  state in America attempting to secede and the US government using force to prevent it from doing so.

Now personally I'm not saying Russia or the Chechens are right but to compare that situation to what the USA has done in the name of fighting terrorism is laughable and a great distortion of the facts.

 

And regarding the recent bombings, they were senseless and will have the opposite effect to the one that the bombers were hoping for. It will only serve to unite Russians behind their leadership and will not alter Russia's policy besides them increasing security.

 

Except for the fact that that's where all the planning and Al Queda were.

Additionally, the above isn't correct because the Chechens never joined via free will.  They were always invaded always wanted to be free, and then whenever they were they were invaded again.

The deportations were under stalin, and yet the dehumanizing of those people still occurs.  Either way, when Stalin did that, those people deserve to be free from ANY russian government.