Should Nintendo launch in 2011-12 starting the next gen with monster power?

[axt113]

Khuutra said:

axt113 said:

History proves you wrong, you keep saying that 2D Mario wouldn't sell as much, sorry, but if that were true, then you wouldn't have seen NSMB Wii blow by every 3D Mario in a matter of weeks.  Also trying to point to SMW 2, which wasn't a Super Mario game just proves the weakness of your argument.

No a good game is a good game, is a good game, and a 2D Super Mario game is better than a 3D Mario, and that's been proven over and over, Mario 64 was a flop when compared to Super Mario games, and it has nothing to do with the times, if it did, NSMB Wii wouldn't have sold as much, but it sold far more, because its a better game, not because of the times.  But obviously you just don't have a clue of how the market works.

Stop this.

Trying to draw an absolute correlation between sales and quality is just as disingenuous as trying to draw an absolute correlation between Metascore and quality. Neither of them makes allowance for divergent value metrics, and neither of them is actually useful as a way to pick out games to play.

We can't kow if a 2-D Mario would have outsold 64 at the same time because it didn't happen. Trends may suggest certain things, certainly but those same trends tend to ignore the fact that NSMBWii was coming off of a 15+ year period without a mainline 2-D Mario on consoles. More, he has a point in that 3-D was the huge pushing thing for the N64, and contributed a great deal to pushing Mario 64 as far as it went.

Analyses of sales trends can rarely be cut and dry, and they certainly cannot be to the degree that you present here.

Sales prove consumers preferred one over the other, and long term sales of super mario proves they are classic games

We can show that Super Mario has never lost its appeal and its ability to move hardware, while 3D mario has never had that ability or appeal.

Don't give me that garbage about 15+ years, NSMB DS was also a huge seller, and SMB 3 and SMBW both followed other Marios close by and were huge sellers.

Wrong, Mario 64 was never on par with the Super Mario's so obviously 3D wasn't as interesting to the Market

You can try and spin the facts as much as you want, but the truth doesn't spin, 3D Mario just never had, nor ever will have the appeal of Super Mario, and Nintendo was stupid to ever try and use 3D mario as their flagship games