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Mazty said:

I'll tell you who do care about graphics, AI etc. Gamers, ergo wii owners and people who claim it is a good 'proper' gaming platform don't know the first thing about gaming.

If you can't notice a 10+ fps lag, then wow, may want to get a doctor to have a look at that. The games are fun and accessible, but so is a ball pool. It's fun for a short time, but a lot of people grow out of it, and I myself, as do many other gamers, feel that the wii offers very little challenge and in most genres is a total step backward to out dated gaming (rail shooters, 2D platforms) when the expected quality of games has pasted those type of games.

Your grammer is a bit sketchy on your last sentece but I'm guessing you mean can I name you a hardcore game I do not like?

If so yes I can. Halo 3, Ratchet and Clank, Borderlands, Fifa and PES. Personally Halo 3 for me was not anything new so I wasn't keen on it. I'm not a fan of the R&C platforming genre, Borderlands was medicore in my view, and I've never understood the want to play football games. Plus I hated MW2, but note I dislike Halo 3 and MW2 for somewhat the same reasons as I dislike Wii games - both games felt a step backwards, or not a step foward for the genre. Could pick out many more games but as the user base for MW2 and Halo 3 are so large, hope this is the sort of reply your were aiming for.

I'm going to move past the earlier parts of your post to continue with my point, do forgive me.

Yes, it's the sort of reply I was aiming for.

Now, are the people who enjoy.... we'll say Ratchet and Clank. Are the people who enjoy Ratchet and Clank wrong, simply missing out on something that they should be seeing?