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r505Matt on 22 March 2010
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Torillian said:
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To put it another way. There is less difference between JRPGs and WRPGS then there are JRPGS and SRPGS.

It's why SRPGS never show up in JRPG conversations or even RPG conversations in general.

Until VC for *some* reason. You seem to have an issue with the genres in general, but your letting your problem with how genres are defined in general, which is a completly different matter.

VC and Disgaea 3, which is actually much closer to being a JRPG than VC is.

I haven't seen people cosnider Disgaea 3 a JRPG since VC came out really.  Which is another reason why I think it's "list wars" based.

Had Final Fantasy 13 Versus came out first... I doubt either would of ever been considered a JRPG by a lot of people who consider them JRPGs now.


To be fair too I don't consider Borderlands an RPG.  Mostly because the shooting is too good. 

Much how action games that have RPG elements aren't action games...

but RPGS with crappy controls compaired to action games are considered Action RPGs.

oh for fuck's sake, the reason you don't see people considering Disgaea 3 a jRPG now is because the argument has moved on to VC.  If this will help here:

I consider Disgaea 3 a jRPG just as I do Fire Emblem and Valkyria Chronicles

now you can stop saying you haven't seen people consider those jRPG's.

What do you consider a JRPG.  Just any RPG from Japan?  And If so... why is this a valid genre?

I've already defined it several times in this thread.  jRPG's are about linear storylines usually with predefined characters, wRPG's are about letting the player run wild with choices and dialogue.  jRPG's usually have a more Eastern cultural feel about them but they don't have to, while wRPG's have a Western cultural feel, but the main distinction is in the way they tell stories and the level of choice given to the player to change that story.

While some WRPGs might appear to offer choice, few actually do.

@lestatdark, hence my Jaction and Waction (haha they still sound funny) comment before. I think the whole J/W thing should be completely thrown out. No other genre attempts to classify itself based on things like story or characters, games are typically defined by gameplay. You can go into further detail with whatever other words you want, but in terms of genre, it's pretty damn straight-forward. I don't get why RPGs are different, and what the purpose is. It only serves to confuse people, especially the general populace.

I believe one of the main functions of classifying genre is for new consumers who haven't tried a product to have a general idea of what to expect. I said before "Oh, I like FPS games, so I'm going to check out other games classified as FPS". It won't tell you the quality of the game of course, but it will give you rough idea of what to expect out of the game. JRPG and WRPG are so nebulous that they fail to do this properly, especially with constant debates over what J and W actually/should mean; better off just saying RPG and leaving it at that.