The biggest domestic US vote of my lifetime is today...

[Mr Khan]

TheRealMafoo said:

Esmoreit said:
Just... explain to me one more time why free health care is bad? I mean, we Europeans have had it for decennia and it works great for us. Insurance companies are still competing and turning a profit. The quality of care in the EU is on average higher then the US (even higher if you only take the west of the EU) according to the WHO... What is so different in the US? Why wouldn't they be able to implement this right?

Also, going back to your Caterpillar arguement in the OP Mafoo - I'd say it levels the field of competition. Here in Europe, companies have been insuring their employees for decennia.

 

Nothing is free. It cost through government taxes. Plus the WHO has a lot of issues. I will just hit some highlights, and I am sure Kasz is writing a book in response to you right now :p

1. WHO mesures do not apply to quality of care. For example, if on a scale of 1 to 100, with 1 being the worst healthcare in the world, and 100 being the best. If in the US, the lowest class was 75, and the highest class was 100, we would rank lower then a country where all there citizens got healthcare at 60. Plus, the WHO has not done a study like this in many years, because it's hard to quantify there results.

2. In the US, 15% or so of Americans are on government healthcare. For the government to pay for those 15%, cost more then the entire private insurance industry that covers 85% of the people (including a lot of the 15% the government covers). I have no idea how entrusting the government for all of it would work in the US.

3. Lastly, and this is the biggest issue in all of this, we the US is ungodly unhealthy compared to Europe. We have the best healthcare in the world, and doing so for the worst healthy 1st world country. It just cost a lot to do that. Nothing really can fix that, until we live healthier lives.

 

Nothing is free. It cost through government taxes. Plus the WHO has a lot of issues. I will just hit some highlights, and I am sure Kasz is writing a book in response to you right now :p

1. WHO mesures do not apply to quality of care. For example, if on a scale of 1 to 100, with 1 being the worst healthcare in the world, and 100 being the best. If in the US, the lowest class was 75, and the highest class was 100, we would rank lower then a country where all there citizens got healthcare at 60. Plus, the WHO has not done a study like this in many years, because it's hard to quantify there results.

2. In the US, 15% or so of Americans are on government healthcare. For the government to pay for those 15%, cost more then the entire private insurance industry that covers 85% of the people (including a lot of the 15% the government covers). I have no idea how entrusting the government for all of it would work in the US.

3. Lastly, and this is the biggest issue in all of this, we the US is ungodly unhealthy compared to Europe. We have the best healthcare in the world, and doing so for the worst healthy 1st world country. It just cost a lot to do that. Nothing really can fix that, until we live healthier lives.

 

 

That's why more control is needed. This could open the door to health initiatives similar to what they have in Japan, either a positive or negative (or both) incentive system to help fix America's health problems.

 

This legislation is sadly incomplete, but it can serve as a solid start to a healthier America.