PhoenixKing said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Zucas said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Zucas said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Zucas said:
Wooh you need to check your cultural history on New Orleans, or mainly french cajun Louisiana. There is quite a difference between them and well every other southerner then and now.
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"Some slaveholders were black or had some black ancestry. In 1830 there were 3,775 such slaveholders in the South, with 80% of them located in Louisiana, South Carolina, Virginia, and Maryland. There were economic differences between free blacks of the Upper South and Deep South, with the latter fewer in number, but wealthier and typically of mixed race. Half of the black slaveholders lived in cities rather than the countryside, with most in New Orleans and Charleston."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States#Free_black_people_and_slavery
That was 1830. The war was 30 years later, so more free black men had slaves at the time of the war.
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Well you are only proving what I said in the quote. Seriously look up the history on New Orleans, or mainly french cajun Louisiana. It isn't like the rest of the south during that time. Still really isn't. Main difference being its southern European roots and roots in Catholicism which is unlike the rest of the south.
And none of this really has any relevance to the inital points. Whehter or not there were a few select cases of blacks having freedom, you can't turn that mound of dirt into a mountain.
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What I can't do, is convince you that it wasn't all about slavery.
And I never said the south was all like New Orleans, I just stated there were many free black men in New Orleans that owned slaves.
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Well, no, you can't convince me that racism wasn't the underlying reason because that would simply be false. Slavery was the main issue scattered with other ideas such as states' rights (more for the upper class) but at the heart of all it was racism. All I'm really trying to say, is I see a lot of people trying to defend the Confederates or play the entire thing off as just an overarching government taking away freedoms. I'm trying to stop people from thinking that way about the American Civil War simply because its not true. Some of that existed, but the whole underlying reason that pushed everyone in the south over the edge was racism. Don't martyr them, as there is nothing about their intentions that were noble or had justice in mind.
Well my point wasn't about that with New Orleans, I'm just telling you to understand why it was that in New Orleans. Obivously your not from my state and don't know the culture, but there is a reason why New Orleans is different which is why I said for you to look it up. I couldn't expect you to know it which is why I suggested just seeing why New Orleans was different and why it can't be used as the case for the rest.
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Why were there thousands of black men fighting for the south, if it was all about racism?
btw, I graduated from Bossier City High School ;)
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Dude, racism was a huge part of it. White males wanted to be superior and aspire to owning slaves.
The Confederacy even made a decree that any black man captured and found to be wearing Union army attire would be executed.
The whole succession due to Lincoln's victory was the paranoia that Lincoln would end slavery. The very fact the KKK began and southern whites went to such extremes to keep the oppression and fear on blacks thereafter prove as much.
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One thing should be noted.
One of the "doomsday" scenarios for the south that they were REALLY close to executing was to in fact declare their slaves free. They started passing around info to various slaves that the north had all kinds of extra jobs and money.
The south was plannung to free all of their slaves. On the condition that all of the slaves would go to the North.
There plan was, that if they released all their slaves, it would wreck the norths economy, as all of a sudden HUGE amounts of poorly educated, free blacks woud flood all of the Norths big cities... forcing the North to have a HUGE economic crisis and forcing them to end their war with the south. This was after their plan to arm their slaves failed.
Even if slavery was the main cause of the civil war, by the END of the Civil war it wasn't.
