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r505Matt on 17 March 2010
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M.U.G.E.N said:
r505Matt said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
r505Matt said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

So you just jumped to the conclusion that people buy the psp for non gaming purposes? :S Did you even consider the possibility that it might be because there are not as many games on the psp that people would like to play? If you check the software charts you can see when there is a good title released for the psp, the sales sky rocket for it. Your argument is flawed. So unless you have substantial proof otherwise, I am not convinced at all

This is ridiculous, some people buy the PS3 just for Blu-ray, and there are definitely people who buy PSP just for media playback. You can't just ignore that to suit your arguement.

ok first take a few deep breaths and relax :D we are not suing the company your working for anything. It's a discussion ok? So take it easy

Second: Check what I highlited on his post. I asked for proof cuz without proof it's an opinion. He used game attatch rates as the reason for his statement. I just pointed out there are MANY possible reasons to the attatch rate situation. I gave an example as well.

 

@WW: Again mate, you say games don't sell well on PSP. Maybe not ALL games. But the good ones do. You can't deny that now can you? Games like Monster Hunter, Crisis Core, KH:BBS, etc sell impressively. So no, simplest explaination (well at least simplest to you in this case) doesn't mean it's the correct one. So either give some solid proof or it's an OPINION

Haha we've never talked before, but I'm probably one of the most relaxed person on these forums. I've been angry 2 times in my life, I don't get upset easily, so don't misunderstand me and falsely read some sub-tone of annoyance or anger. So no worries about me freaking out okay? =)

2nd: I know what you're saying, but such a low attach-rate really would indicate something else was going on there. I'm just saying you can't disregard that because you don't want to deal with it/hear about it. But I also agree with you that without substantial proof, you can't totally believe it. But, that doesn't mean it's flawed. Essentially the two of you are looking at the same data and coming up with different conclusions. It's not right to say "your conclusion is wrong, mine is right" just because there isn't enough data. You would have been better off understanding and saying something like "yeah, that could be possible, but there's no way to tell". That way you would have sounded like you listened to someone else's ideas like a human being and not a brick wall.

Sherlock Holmes would say you suffer from a lack of imagination and the inability to make deductions based on simple data. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make your side correct either.

Just saying.

 

Sherlock Holmes might say you lack the ability to read also, just saying ;)

I NEVER said he was wrong and nor did I say I was RIGHT! Again read better next time. I said one can't just jump to conclusions here. I know when I bought my psp, at the time the only games appealed to me were GOW and Crisis Core. None of the other game offerings appealed to me so I didn't buy them, simple. SO again there are many POSSIBLE reasons for such an issue. People with an open mind and imagination should be able to grasp that. PSP games that are good sell well, as I'm sure there are people who bought the psp JUST for a perticular game as with ANY console (I bought the DS for layton) and also as WW said it might be because people buy it for the meda applications and not the games. So there are MANY possible reasons. So unless you can give some factual proof, your just derailing the thread and wasting my time, no offense

 

PS: When reading into stats, try to consider ALL possible reasons. If not even a moron can jump into sudden conclusions and say hey this happened cuz of THIS REASON DAMN IT!. Stats are what they are. Stats, nothing less nothing more

Notice the red text. Saying an argument is flawed is, at its core, the same as saying the idea is wrong. Well, you're saying the idea in it's current form is wrong, and maybe needs revision/rethinking, but you are surely still saying it's wrong. Maybe you didn't mean it to sound that way, but that's exactly how it sounds. I'm the one here saying either way is possible, you're the one saying "I'm not convinced at all" without substantial proof.

I didn't jump to a conclusion, I was merely making a speculation and saying you can't rule something out just because there isn't enough data. I am surely not saying it's totally true without said data though. I agree, there could be any number of reasons for the low attach rate, and I'm not disregarding any of them, you are. I'm not even remotely trying to say what is the truth in this case. I said such a low attach rate would suggest something was going on, nothing more, nothing less.

You're trying to insinuate that I'm the one lacking reading and/or imagination skills, but I'm only trying to point out that you can't disregard an idea without data to prove it wrong. As long as that doesn't exsit, it remains a possibility. I was never suggesting it is the truth. I'm not sure how you could think I thought that from what I said. There is NOTHING in there even hinting at such a thing.

P.S. We weren't talking about all possible reasons, and if you want to get into that, that's fine. To reiterate, I was trying to say don't disregard an idea for lack of proof.

 

OT: This thread is crazy, will it ever end =)

Why is there so much Nintendo talk though? This thread is essentially a comparison of Sony's brand power and MS's brand power.\

@heruamon,

I think that's an excellent point about who will lead next-gen. But we still have to see what Move and Natal do for Sony and MS's brand power (respectively). They could do nothing (or at least nothing of statistical significance) but they could also change everything. This is an exciting year for gaming at least!