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When I look at the difference they made to the PC gaming market and the innovation they've brought into the console space too then for me they are getting there. There is no right or wrong answer though as its all down to peoples individual perceptions. One thing you can say for certain is very few people would have expected the 360 to still be ahead now prior to the launch of the PS3 so the penetration of the brand has really improved over the last 4 years (even despite the RROD fiasco).