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elticker on 15 March 2010
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mirgro said:
twesterm said:
mirgro said:
twesterm said:
 

Modders either aren't professionals or professionals just having fun so it makes sense not to pay for that.

Modders can try to sell their work, but then of course they would have to license the engine in most cases.

Funny thing about that. There are many many modders who have struck it rich and gotten highered because of their work.

TF, Portal, etc. were started by modders. Counter-Strike was a mod. DICE started off as modders. A lot of the Epic map designers were modders. I am sorry, but modded content has been good for a while now. Not everything was golden, but there were many such mods.

Now this generation, modding tools are no longer supported, and the reason for that is for the publisher to make money out of things that modders could provide in endless supply. They are just excuses for their feeling of entitlement, just like a pirates, but they try their hardest to cover what they are doing, something a pirate doesn't bother with. It's the same logic, applied the other way, it's funny that you can somehow rationalize all this DLC, yet not be able to rationalize piracy.

They were hired later though and someone bought that, totally different things.

Also, you can't consider that the norm.  Thousands upon thousands of mods get made a year...how many strike it big?

(and I'm not ignoring the Bioshock 2 bit, I just don't have the case in front of me so it's pointless to talk about it at the moment until I get home later tonight)

I fully understand that the norm was bad. However the outliers were more numerous than anything current publishers release. Furthermore, those outliers were also very professionally done. So modders have the following thing on publishers: quantity, quality, and price. But because of their feeling of entitlement, just liek you mentioned pirates have, publishers have found insidious ways to remove such practices and get what they feel they are entitled to. Then make up even worse excuses than any excuse I have ever heard of from a pirate.

Just admit it, developers have the same wrong entitlement as pirates, no way around it.

does that include bungie (halo 3) cause i could mod any map and put it for download ofcourse you let people download it for free and i can create play lists and weapons wouldnt that be consider a map mod and a playlist mod since both have been slightly or hugely modified of what they originally were.