Valve's Gabe Newell shares his thoughts on DRM

[Kasz216]

loves2splooge said:

Kasz216 said:

loves2splooge said:

So you are ok with a company taking away a valuable consumer right (so it's ok for game companies to screw over gamers) but it's not ok for consumers to reclaim their consumer rights? (the right to make copies of their software).

Consumers aren't making copies of their software when they use a No-CD crack.  They are infact engineering the game.

You still have the right and ability to copy the game... it's just not going to do you much good.

If you have a problem with that, the way to deal with it is legally.  Through either boycotts, campaigns etc.

Don't fool yourself in thinking your doing someting noble, by committing an illegal act in anonymity that has little to no risk to you and holds no benefit to anyone but yourself. 

You're actually doing quite the opposite by being selfish and breaking the law instead of actually standing up and trying to reclaim consumer rights.  So yeah, I have a problem with people who would rather break the law then take up a principled stance against the companies to get rid of such measures... since your nothing more then an accomplice to the comsumers rights being defato eliminated.

That right has long sailed... primarly due to people like YOU who perfer the easy way out.

It's people like YOU who drink the Steam koolaid that have destroyed the concept of ownership in the PC gaming realm. If people like YOU do the same to console gaming and we're not able to buy second-hand or rent anymore, it'll be a sad day for console gaming.

At the end of the day you have to look out for number one (and if that means committing illegal acts, so be it. Many great people in history have committed illegal acts to take a stand. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean that it isn't the right thing to do). Not look out for game publishers that tell gamers to bend over and take it.

You'd rather kiss up to Valve (oh please Gabe, take away my consumer rights!) instead of fight for your consumer rights. Who is the real accomplice to consumer rights being eliminated?

Not at all.  Steam has a lot of options that benefit me.

I respect people who pirate because of DRM more then I respect people like you.

The fact that you compare yourself to someone who disobeys the law for noble reason makes you lookl delusional.  You aren't Rosa Parks.  Hell you ain't even a software pirate.

YOU ARE bending over for companies... you just don't realize it.  Look at you vs a pirate vs me.

You comit an illegal act, while PAYING MONEY to the company that's screwing you and are the reason you have to take that act.  You don't make a stand... hell they don't even really care about you... you're giving them their money and doing NOTHING that helps them.  You aren't looking out for number 1.  Your showing software companies that they can continue to screw you... and you'll keep paying for it, taking your own time and effort to work around the problems their DRM provides.

Pirates comit an illegal act and no money goes to the hands of those they think "wronged" them.

Then you've got me.  I don't buy retail PC game.  EVER.  Why there is no advantage because of all the different DRM schemes as such.  I only buy steam games because it's much less of a hassle being able to download and delete the games all I want off of a main server.  If there is a bad DRM and it's on Steam too... you know what I do.  I don't buy the game.  Or even play it.  Even playing the game illegally gives the game added value.

 

You arent' fighting for consumer rights.  Fighting for consumer rights isn't anonymously committing illegal acts and praying to god nobdoy finds out and serves a warrant on you.  Fighting for consumer rights would be to either

A) Not buy the game.

B) Buy the game and send a youtube link with name, adress and phonenumber to the publisher showing them you circumventing their DRM.

You, are the one who is the accomplice... because you DON'T fight in the ONLY way that matters.  Your wallet.