Scoobes said:
selnor said:
Scoobes said:
selnor said:
Mass Effect series has by a long shot, the best storytelling of any game. And the most tense story moments. In 2007 people loved the last 3 hours of ME1. And in 2010, people were blown away by the first 2 hours and final 5 of ME2.
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It tells a story well, and the interaction with characters is good, but at the end of the day the story is simplistic and the mechanics really do scream out at you. My first play through I loved it as I just played it as I would make the choices. However, in the following play throughs the game mechanics of paragon vs renegade interrupt immersion and story telling. So I'm going to have to disagree with you on that point.
If you liked the story telling in Mass Effect then I recommend you try the original Deus Ex. It was released in 2000 and runs on the old UE1, but it still has some of the best story telling in a game to date. As someone above mentioned, instead of just prompts and text (although it has that element as well), your actual actions determine a lot of the story details.
For instance (SPOILER) at one moment you meet a mechanic acting very strangely and if you look hard enough find a dead body of someone dressed like him. You can either choose to kill him or ignore what's happening, but your actions (completely unprompted and therefore your own) determine whther another character lives or dies.
After Deus Ex, games like Mass Effect and Bioshock are simply building on the foundations laid by Warren Spector and Ion Storm.
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Any story is generic. Quintin Tarantino's stories are bland to say the least, but he tells them in such a way they are brilliant. If you break down any story of any game or film, they are pretty bland. It's the characters stories and how they are told that make good stories.
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That's partly true, but the game mechanics still shouldn't interfere with the story. It interferes with immersion. Bioware seem to realise this by doing away with any good vs evil mechanic in Dragon Age. In Mass Effect they have to keep it for all 3 games now as they have an effect on your character.
Anyway, my post was mainly to point out Deus Ex to you as a game that should be tried. Mass Effect 2's story mechanic reminded me of it so I thought it might be something you'd enjoy. The story mechanic in it is IMO actually superior to Mass Effect's even though it's an old game.
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Deus Ex was one of the first PC games to really inspire me. I enjoyed it. But times move on, and I guess part of immersion is graphics to. I remember it fondly, but ME has the crown for me.
Only the first Deus Ex was good though. The others were horrible.
