Do you believe in angels/demons?

[mrstickball]

...Why do people continue to argue with Manus? We know that he doesn't pay attention to answers, and he never tries to make logical arguments. The last time I argued with him on Healthcare, he never actually answered any questions, just made arguments without listening.

Also, for his various Bible verses:

He totally missed the point. He is arguing that the whatever version he quoted managed to translate the source correctly.

For example, his Chronicles 16:30 quote:

1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

That is merely the translation. The actual Hebrew can be interpreted far differently:

FearH2342 beforeH4480 H6440 him, allH3605 the earth:H776 the worldH8398 alsoH637 shall be stable,H3559 that it be notH1077 moved.H4131

Now, lets look at H3559, H1077 and H4131:

H3559
כּוּן
kûn
koon
A primitive root; properly to be erect (that is, stand perpendicular);. hence (causatively) to set up, in a great variety of applications, whether literal (establish, fix, prepare, apply), or figurative (appoint, render sure, proper or prosperous): - certain (-ty), confirm, direct, faithfulness, fashion, fasten, firm, be fitted, be fixed, frame, be meet, ordain, order, perfect, (make) preparation, prepare (self), provide, make provision, (be, make) ready, right, set (aright, fast, forth), be stable, (e-) stablish, stand, tarry, X very deed.

H1077
בּל
bal
bal
From H1086; properly a failure; by implication nothing; usually (adverbially) not at all; also lest: - lest, neither, no, none (that . . . ), not (any), nothing.

H4131
מוט
môṭ
mote'
A primitive root; to waver; by implication to slip, shake, fall: - be carried, cast, be out of course, be fallen in decay, X exceedingly, fall (-ing down), be (re-) moved, be ready shake, slide, slip.

 

Now, given the actual meanings of the words, what kind of interpretation should one derive? I am not a rocket scientist, but given the actual meanings of the words, its either figurative, or the litteral sense is arguing that the current orbit of the earth is 'firm'. I really think H4131 is very interesting, as the word has direct correlation to many terms used in astronomy. Manus really took it out of context.