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TheRealMafoo on 02 March 2010
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ManusJustus said:
TheRealMafoo said:

Now let me ask you a question. If from 1776 to today, we had a government like you want, do you think living in the US and Zimbabwe would be any different?

I would describe some government programs as acts of humanity.  I also think that for the extent of human civilization that government has been the main source of humanity, as the primary reason for government is to better the lives of those under it, or atleast for less altruistic governments, to better the lives of those who support it.  Most importantly, government decides how humans in a society interact with each other, and many acts considered humane have been made into law.

To answer your question, of course I believe that the US would be better than Zimbabwe. If I didn't think that my social and economic ideas were better than competing ideas, I wouldn't support them.

Sorry, but history shows that to be false. It's been shown time and time again, that the more power a government has, the less humain that country is to live in.

Also, you said to "better the livs of those under it". Let's say we have 10 people in a country, and 8 of them make 10K a year, and 2 make 100K a year. The government makes a law that says anyone making less then 15K a year will be subsidized the difference. The only way to come up with the 40K they would need to pay the 8 people, is to take it from the two people who make a lot of money.

This lowers 2 people of your country from 100K a year to 80K. How is that bettering there lives? Where is government to protect there rights? You just took 20% of there time and effort, and just took it away because you felt it was the right thing to do.

The right thing to do is for government to protect peoples liberties, all of the peoples and not just the ones you think you know what's best for, and then get out of the way and let real humanity step in. Where it's been tried, it's worked very well.

The US of 1776 had it's faults, and all of those were around human rights. We have fixed those faults, but along with those corrections, we have gone very wrong along the way, and the things that made us the envy of the world is gone. Now we are just a very rich example of what not to be.