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Rath on 02 March 2010
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Kasz216 said:
ManusJustus said:

I said 'accurate' measurement.  Obviously, if someone donates $100 and they get $50 back, they really only gave away $50.

Paying taxes isn't a sign of charity, but supporting tax increases is.  If a person wants to pay $3,000 more in taxes and wants public healthcare, then that person is being very charitable.

Government spending on charity is much more effective than private charities, I can't even fathom why anyone would argue against this.  Public healthcare gives everyone healthcare while private charities are unable to provide these services.  Don't even argue against this until you have an example of a charity getting enough donations to pay for the healthcare of an entire country.

Sure it is, you just need to take the deductables out of the equation... which is already done based on the facts that liberals make money, and therefore their deductions would be higher.

As for supporting tax increases being a sign of charity... i'd say it all depends on who the tax increases are meant to be on.  When have you ever seen a group support higher taxes on themselves?  It's usually rare... and if they felt that way really... why aren't they donating that excess they think they should be paying every year?  Is the thought "They government should be taxing me an additional grand a year to help the poor... but screw it!  HD TV!

That is the biggest liberal disconnect.  It's like support for an unrealized law actually HURTS the people the unrealized law is supposed to help because some people see charities as old fashioned relics or something.

As for the third paragraph... you aren't making any sense in it.  Being able to get more funds doesn't equal effectiveness.    Spending 50,000 and treating 100,000 people is more effective then spending 500,000 and treating 500,000 people.  Just because it CAN do something doesn't mean it's effective at doing it.

I mean, despite our broken healthcare system, surivival rates and other REAL healthcare statistics are at the top of the charts.

The states that vote democrat generally have the higher household income, which is evidence that the rich do support higher taxes on themselves. The 'latte liberals' do support higher taxes on themselves. They also believe it is the governments responsibility to ensure quality of life, not charities - which is why they do not all donate heavily.