So who thought Sony was crazy when they said the PS3 will sell 13m for 2009

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joeorc said:

Twistedpixel said:

joeorc said:

Twistedpixel said:

Congratulations on not reading. I said price was a factor however it was not the only factor because in some markets where a 'higher' price wasn't as important a factor the PS3 is still down in sales compared to the PS2. Europe proves that the loss in sales volume between the PS2 and PS3 was more due to compelling competitor offerings than it was due to a higher price.

Even if the Xbox 360 was released 1st it doesn't matter. If the Xbox 360 and Wii were not compelling then people would have simply held off buying the PS3 but they would have pretty much all ended up going back to the Playstation when it had the software and price they wanted. It doesn't matter when a competitor releases something if its not compelling. Even if the PS3 was released for a lower price like $299 the other consoles would have still eroded PS3 market share because they were still compelling in isolation relative to what the PS3 was and is.

o'l i read it just fine.

so let me get this straight, you saying that the Xbox360 releasing first does not matter?

when the only other system's on the market was the PS2 and the Game Cube as a choice?

right. like that does not matter?

that's a big selling component, at the time that was the best graphic's machine aside from the PC . so yea it does matter to some.

"Even if the PS3 was released for a lower price like $299 the other consoles would have still eroded PS3 market share because they were still compelling in isolation relative to what the PS3 was and is."

you sure of that? resistance was a pretty d@mn good game, so was folklore and since the first PS3's also allowed you to run ps2 software. you bet a $299.00 playstation 3 would have been a major system at that price..o'l wait it is. one only has to look at the PS3 slim, yea it cannot play play PS2 disc's "yet" but it has BC with PS1 game's

to sit there and say a $299.00 price point in 2007 would not have been an major effect on sale's of the PS3  in Europe is just plain silly.

which is what your implying you are saying the PS3 when it was first released would still not be as compelling as the xbox360 or the Wii even at $299.00

gotcha, you are silly I give you that bless ya.!

If it had released first without compelling software it would not have mattered. It was the compelling software which came out quickly upon launch which made the difference for the Xbox 360.

The Wii always had 1st place locked up. They had the holy trinity of Wii Sports, Mario Kart and Wii Fit. The most epic combination of system sellers out in the first year and a half as well as Zelda and I think SMG though I forget when that launched.

What im saying is that for 2nd place Microsoft still had to earn it. They got compelling software out quickly and it worked. Otherwise the Xbox 360 would have lost quickly to the PS3 because it couldn't make any ground.

The European PS3 price was indentical to the PS2 launch price, therefore the price in that market was NOT a factor after 6 months on the market. Because Europeans are used to paying that price it did not make the PS3 seem expensive at all. Japan wouldn't give the Xbox the time of day anyway and that left the U.S. market. $399 is pretty close to $299 adjusting for 7 years of inflation, the key in that market was the massive bundle in 2007 and Halo along with Bioshock. The Xbox 360 won this market in 2007 with only a $50 price difference between the 20GB and the PS3, the Arcade was hardly a factor in this at all.

 

but see there you go, the PS3 did release with compelling software , In my opinion resistance was one of the best game's released for the PS3, even though I am not much of a shooter fan.

was the xbox360 had more game's yes, but you once again sit thre and say that if the PS3 would have released at $299.00 it would not have had a profound effect. because even with the little software it did have it sold very well.

they had to earn it?

listen not just Microsoft had to earn it, they all had too, Everyone like's an underdog i guess huh!

RIGHT, THEY JUST LOVE PAYING THAT PRICE..

um no it's not , have you seen the houseforeclosure market in the US? you can bring up inflation all you want $100.00 is $100.00

what..the Arcade was not a factor in this at all!, now i know your being silly.

by just being on the shelf , it will drive sale's just on it's price alone because if is an incentive to price compare it was put out to be able to alway's under cut the price of the PS3. and it's worked fantastiicly.

PRICE was the big problem! why because it was that very fact that changed the perception of the PS3 since it wast first released!

it did not matter how much Value was in the PS3 some people still view the PS3 is still too expensive even today!

you can say it does not matter after 6 month's all you want,

the very fact that if the price of the PS3 would have been $299.00 value right from the start, with what the PS3 had in it with Backward compatability there would have been a factor on how well the PS3 would have sold right from the start.

like i said  I think your being verry silly, but god bless you.

God bless you too. .....

In the U.S. market the Arcade was not a factor until it was $200 and reached a more casual market. At $280 it represented very little value in 2007 being only $70 cheaper than a unit which indeed had a HDD, especially to the more core type gamer who purchased the system. Even today in America 2/3rds of sales are the $300 Elite which is where the bulk of the sales come from. It was a $350 Premium vs an $400 40GB PS3. The price difference for over 85% of the sales between the two consoles was less than 1/8th or 12.5% of the PS3s purchase price.

In the U.S. as well it has never been about price it has always been about content. The Playstation started the generation in a better position than the Xbox so you can't attribute the differences to brand awareness and perception. Only for a year was the PS3 so far behind the Xbox 360 in relative price and absolute price that it swung the market in favour of the Xbox 360. Even today in this market both $299 console SKUs sell about on par with each other. If there was no Arcade then some of the buyers of the Arcade would buy an Elite instead.

People like to overstate the impact of price, in Europe it was never a price they were unable to bear or not used to from a PS branded console and in the U.S. for most of the time the price was close enough to call it a wash. Both consoles are expensive. Neither are cheap consoles so people tend to get the one which represents to them the best buy for their money. In Europe this is the PS3 and in America this is the Xbox 360.