Twistedpixel said:
joeorc said:
Twistedpixel said:
joeorc said:
No it does not ,but on the same token the US is not europe just like Europe is not the US you keep pointing out that Europe is the ACID TEST. why would the United states not be an Acid test also? it's all subjective.
And once again it's the percieved Value of the product @ Price I am not saying the percieved value had nothing to do with it vs' other system's out there, I am saying on a region by region basis PRICE had a big detriment to the sell of the system.
as an example:
singapore of $799.00 for the PS3 when it was first released.
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Because price is not a factor in Europe. You can't say "PS3 didn't perform as well because the price was too high" because the price for the most part has been close to and either lower or higher than the historical PS2 price there. Price factor removed. It means you can look at other factors without running in circles saying the price was too high the price was too high...
Since the system launched later with quality content coming quicker then you can somewhat remove the lateness of some of the software as Uncharted 1 for example was only 6 months later and I believe Oblivion was a launch title.
So therefore you can look at the difference between the PS2 and PS3 in Europe and say this rough percentage is the difference caused by competition and then anything greater than that in other regions you can say the difference is the price.
So if the PS3 is 30% down in Europe and 50% down in the U.S. you can say that roughly 30% of the reduced sales of the PS3 relative to the PS2 was competitor actions and 20% was due to a higher launch price and higher price thereafter.
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you can but it's just a guess.
that does not take away the price was not a factor. How could it.
for example
was the xbox360 in the market before the playstation 3 was released there ?
and by how long?
was the xbox360 on the market before the Playstation 3 hit in europe
would you say that when the xbox360 released, that the Playstation 2's graphic's were seen as dated?
so when the xbox360 was released what was the price of the PS2 at the time when the xbox360 when it was released?
would you say that people viewed the price of the xbox360 a better deal over the PS2?
for everything you get.
now apply those very same thing's to the PS3 vs' the xbox360, was the xbox360 cheaper than the playstation 3 when it was first released?
so the point being is Price of a system and it's function's and what software it has out when it get's released vs preception of what the system is worth play's a big part no matter what region your in. would you agree with that ?
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Congratulations on not reading. I said price was a factor however it was not the only factor because in some markets where a 'higher' price wasn't as important a factor the PS3 is still down in sales compared to the PS2. Europe proves that the loss in sales volume between the PS2 and PS3 was more due to compelling competitor offerings than it was due to a higher price.
Even if the Xbox 360 was released 1st it doesn't matter. If the Xbox 360 and Wii were not compelling then people would have simply held off buying the PS3 but they would have pretty much all ended up going back to the Playstation when it had the software and price they wanted. It doesn't matter when a competitor releases something if its not compelling. Even if the PS3 was released for a lower price like $299 the other consoles would have still eroded PS3 market share because they were still compelling in isolation relative to what the PS3 was and is.
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o'l i read it just fine.
so let me get this straight, you saying that the Xbox360 releasing first does not matter?
when the only other system's on the market was the PS2 and the Game Cube as a choice?
right. like that does not matter?
that's a big selling component, at the time that was the best graphic's machine aside from the PC . so yea it does matter to some.
"Even if the PS3 was released for a lower price like $299 the other consoles would have still eroded PS3 market share because they were still compelling in isolation relative to what the PS3 was and is."
you sure of that? resistance was a pretty d@mn good game, so was folklore and since the first PS3's also allowed you to run ps2 software. you bet a $299.00 playstation 3 would have been a major system at that price..o'l wait it is. one only has to look at the PS3 slim, yea it cannot play play PS2 disc's "yet" but it has BC with PS1 game's
to sit there and say a $299.00 price point in 2007 would not have been an major effect on sale's of the PS3 in Europe is just plain silly.
which is what your implying you are saying the PS3 when it was first released would still not be as compelling as the xbox360 or the Wii even at $299.00
gotcha, you are silly I give you that bless ya.!
