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SciFiBoy on 25 February 2010
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Kasz216 said:
SciFiBoy said:

I think I get it, youre saying that even if people are in favour of socialised healthcare, the current bill proposal wont work for them?

you need to elaborate on that a bit more, what is wrong with this bill from the POV of someone who wants socialised healthcare?

Indeed.  Most people in the country want healthcare reform... most do not want this bill... in fact most want Congress to start entirely over... this is why the Republicans have been pushing the "Lets start over" and "lets have cameras in the negotiations like you originally wanted" cards.   The reconciliation isn't to stop republicans even though that's how it's spun... it's being used to twist the arm of moderate democrats who wouldn't of passed the thing even with a philibuster proof senate... a lot of unions aren't even for it... and they're usually pro universal healthcare. 

 

I could go into a big list rattling off reasons why people are against it... but I think the easier way to explain it is vs the UK plan which you are familiar with.

In the UK plan, the government negotiates with it's union of doctors what it pays for.

In the US plan, the government will give vouchers and tax breaks to people to pay their premiums.

It's setting up a big buerocracy that isn't really going to have the power to change anything.

We're going to create a giant health exchange... which will be the equivlent to one of those websites auto insurance companies have... but ours is going to cost BILLIONS.


This is something people could just do for themselves mind you, get quotes from multiple insurance companies... but we're going to create an exchange to do it for billions of dollars... for got knows why.  It's this that is being banked on to be the be all and end all of lowering prices and increasing coverage... and it's something that people could already do themsleves with little effort.

 

The bill is a few very good ideas wrapped around a couple DISASTEROUS ideas without enough price controls... and spending that is entirely unnessisary... instead relying on hope that prices will drop without changing anything to force prices to drop.

okay, thank you, now I understand much better, I can understand why people wouldnt like that, is that what Obama originally wanted to do? or is it something people have forced him into?